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Would you have bid 1♥ or 2♥ the first time around?
Edit: In response to bd71, this was on BBO IMP scoring with unknown opponents.
What do you bid?
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Posted 2011-August-31, 07:48
What now?
Would you have bid 1♥ or 2♥ the first time around?
Edit: In response to bd71, this was on BBO IMP scoring with unknown opponents.
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Posted 2011-August-31, 08:44
3♥ - 5 card suit, I'd have opened with 6 (yes I'd pass first time), probably vaguely at home in spades also.
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Posted 2011-August-31, 09:27
I think knowing pairs or teams is important here.
Agree with 3♥, but I'm uncomfortable.
While I rarely open a weak 2 with 5, this might be the hand for it. I like to think that I definitely would have done it in teams so as to maximally obstruct any possible vulnerable game they have.
Agree with 3♥, but I'm uncomfortable.
While I rarely open a weak 2 with 5, this might be the hand for it. I like to think that I definitely would have done it in teams so as to maximally obstruct any possible vulnerable game they have.
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Posted 2011-August-31, 09:38
bd71, on 2011-August-31, 09:27, said:
I think knowing pairs or teams is important here.
Agree with 3♥, but I'm uncomfortable.
While I rarely open a weak 2 with 5, this might be the hand for it. I like to think that I definitely would have done it in teams so as to maximally obstruct any possible vulnerable game they have.
Agree with 3♥, but I'm uncomfortable.
While I rarely open a weak 2 with 5, this might be the hand for it. I like to think that I definitely would have done it in teams so as to maximally obstruct any possible vulnerable game they have.
All of the above, especially the uncomfortable part.
We are risking a 5-2 ♥ fit instead of a ?-3 ♠ fit in all circumstances but pard should probably play us for a ♠ tolerance. My next headache is if pard bids 3♠ over 3♥.
I can give several reasons to open weak 2's on 5-card suits but given my track record on doing it you should do the opposite.
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Posted 2011-August-31, 12:20
3S, I have a fit and not enough to bid game, keep it simple.
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Posted 2011-August-31, 12:21
bd71, on 2011-August-31, 09:27, said:
I think knowing pairs or teams is important here.
Agree with 3♥, but I'm uncomfortable.
While I rarely open a weak 2 with 5, this might be the hand for it. I like to think that I definitely would have done it in teams so as to maximally obstruct any possible vulnerable game they have.
Agree with 3♥, but I'm uncomfortable.
While I rarely open a weak 2 with 5, this might be the hand for it. I like to think that I definitely would have done it in teams so as to maximally obstruct any possible vulnerable game they have.
5332 is not the hand for it. Neither is second seat.
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Posted 2011-August-31, 12:45
For me this is near perfect for a 3H PHJSF. I dont believe in the standard requirement of 4 trumps.
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Posted 2011-August-31, 13:32
PHJSF?
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Posted 2011-August-31, 13:36
PHNJSF?
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Posted 2011-August-31, 13:40
JLOGIC, on 2011-August-31, 12:20, said:
3S, I have a fit and not enough to bid game, keep it simple.
Agreed. If we belong in 4♠ PD can carry on. It may look like we have quite alot for just bidding 3♠ but we have 3 small trumps and likely 2♦ losers since they are often 6-3-2-2 on this bidding.
I agree with the initial pass.
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Posted 2011-August-31, 14:36
I wouldn't have opened the hand.
I'll bid 4♠ now. I assume partner has more than just an opening hand to overcall. Something like:
♠AKQxx
♥xx
♦xx
♣AQxx
Lose 2 diamonds and probably a club.
Of course if partner has ♦A then you can probably pitch diamonds on the good hearts.
My answer would be different if I expected my partner to overcall any preempt on a bare minimum opener.
I'll bid 4♠ now. I assume partner has more than just an opening hand to overcall. Something like:
♠AKQxx
♥xx
♦xx
♣AQxx
Lose 2 diamonds and probably a club.
Of course if partner has ♦A then you can probably pitch diamonds on the good hearts.
My answer would be different if I expected my partner to overcall any preempt on a bare minimum opener.
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Posted 2011-August-31, 14:46
BunnyGo, on 2011-August-31, 07:48, said:
What now?
Would you have bid 1♥ or 2♥ the first time around?
Would you have bid 1♥ or 2♥ the first time around?
Now 3H. Being a passed hand, this tends to show some spade tolerance.
I'm ok with 2H before. But find the hand a tad too weakish in defense for a 1H opener.
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Posted 2011-August-31, 14:48
I agree with all of Justin's posts on this thread, perhaps most of all with the 'sigh'.
For those who claim 3♥ has to show spades, that is true only if there are never any hands with long hearts with which you wouldn't open and may now want to bid hearts naturally. I know there are players who think like that....but I don't think it is standard.
For those who claim 3♥ has to show spades, that is true only if there are never any hands with long hearts with which you wouldn't open and may now want to bid hearts naturally. I know there are players who think like that....but I don't think it is standard.
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Posted 2011-August-31, 14:59
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Posted 2011-August-31, 15:31
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where is he, the donner man?
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Posted 2011-August-31, 15:47
I would bid 3♥ now. That shows ♠ fit or at least tolerance for me.
I am asking myself "Should i spare this 3♥ bid by passed hand for the hands that somehow did not open 1 or 2 ♥ at these colors, has no ♠ fit or tolerance but can bid at 3 level and cross his fingers for nothing bad to happen, or should i spare it for fit showing bid, which by the way can be used in wide purpose and can be made with just 4 or even 3 card concentrated suits such as AQJx AKJ in case in opponents may decide to put some more pressure on us and too good to just bid 3♠ and has no space to cue etc etc.
Of course a persistent poster can construct hands where the passed hand has no fit or tolerance but must bid at 3 level a new suit. But i will pay off for those hands if these hands somehow are not passable or can not be shown by a DBL. A simple 3♠ bid can be made with a wide variety of hands. Points can be anywhere or a little bit of everywhere. Pd is also under pressure and we are already at 3 level with no game trial space available, Why would i give up on my ability to give a better picture of my hand to partner for the sake of sparing it to the hands which had the chance before but didnt, and now wants to bid at 3 level and cant even pass or DBL.
I am asking myself "Should i spare this 3♥ bid by passed hand for the hands that somehow did not open 1 or 2 ♥ at these colors, has no ♠ fit or tolerance but can bid at 3 level and cross his fingers for nothing bad to happen, or should i spare it for fit showing bid, which by the way can be used in wide purpose and can be made with just 4 or even 3 card concentrated suits such as AQJx AKJ in case in opponents may decide to put some more pressure on us and too good to just bid 3♠ and has no space to cue etc etc.
Of course a persistent poster can construct hands where the passed hand has no fit or tolerance but must bid at 3 level a new suit. But i will pay off for those hands if these hands somehow are not passable or can not be shown by a DBL. A simple 3♠ bid can be made with a wide variety of hands. Points can be anywhere or a little bit of everywhere. Pd is also under pressure and we are already at 3 level with no game trial space available, Why would i give up on my ability to give a better picture of my hand to partner for the sake of sparing it to the hands which had the chance before but didnt, and now wants to bid at 3 level and cant even pass or DBL.
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Posted 2011-September-01, 02:52
Based on the principle of "if you know what trumps are going to be, let your partner know too" I decided to bid 3 or 4 spades. Because I had a good 5 card side suit, I decided to just bid 4. Seems from the posters above that this is a tad on the aggressive side. Here's the whole hand.
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JLOGIC, on 2011-August-31, 15:37, said:
He was able to quit cold turkey when the forums software changed. More power to him, I find it impossible though lol.
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