[jillybean]

Here's a couple of hands from the club tonight...

#14 MP NV you hold AKJ65, KJ863, Void, AK4
(P) 1♠ (P) 3N
(P) ?

#22 MP Vvs.N you hold 84, AKQJ962, Q87, A
1♥ (2N) 4♠ (4N)
?

[Porreankel]

jillybean, on 2011-September-04, 00:12, said:

Here's a couple of hands from the club tonight...

#14 MP NV you hold AKJ65, KJ863, Void, AK4
(P) 1♠ (P) 3N
(P) ?

#22 MP Vvs.N you hold 84, AKQJ962, Q87, A
1♥ (2N) 4♠ (4N)
?

Hi there

#14
Pretty hard... I really like that you do not open 2c with theese kind of hands though!
Now it comes down to your system agreements. What does 3N actually tell you ? In my book it's kind of a chance bid, since if partner had some strength he would prolly bid slower (The principial of slow arrival). If he indeed doesnt have much strength he might have a long dia suit - but you have to give more info about your system.
I think I would bid 4h to play in a major.
If your partner tells you something like 14-16HP with this bid - I suggest you agree to mid slower when holding a lot of points :-)

#22
Here I would have opened 2c
You have a 4 looser hand.

As the biddings are now - I would bid 5sp - this will show some better hand, since you could have passed and bid 5sp when opp's had chosen their minor.


Regards
Jacob


http://bridgetime.org/

[jillybean]

#14 3N is 13-15 4333 (I hate it) , my partner bid it to protect honor holdings.

[BunnyGo]

jillybean, on 2011-September-04, 01:35, said:

#14 3N is 13-15 4333 (I hate it) , my partner bid it to protect honor holdings.

Does 3N set spades as trump for any follow-ups? Such as, would 5D be voidwood here? If so, I like bidding 5D on the way to some slam.

[mgoetze]

Sorry Porreankel, but opening 2♣ on #22 is very bad, whereas it's possible on #14 (though I wouldn't do it).

Anyway, if 3N shows 4=3=3=3 and 13-15 we surely want to head to slam. The question is how. I don't like 5♦ at all, you won't find out what you need to know. In fact I would prefer 4N as, if partner has the ♦A I won't need to worry about a club loser. But I think it's even better to try and give partner a picture of our hand and let him decide. Maybe if I cuebid 4♦ now, then cuebid 5♦ next, he will understand...

[Cyberyeti]

mgoetze, on 2011-September-04, 02:38, said:

Sorry Porreankel, but opening 2♣ on #22 is very bad, whereas it's possible on #14 (though I wouldn't do it).

Anyway, if 3N shows 4=3=3=3 and 13-15 we surely want to head to slam. The question is how. I don't like 5♦ at all, you won't find out what you need to know. In fact I would prefer 4N as, if partner has the ♦A I won't need to worry about a club loser. But I think it's even better to try and give partner a picture of our hand and let him decide. Maybe if I cuebid 4♦ now, then cuebid 5♦ next, he will understand...

Doesn't 6♥ give him a perfectly good picture of your hand. He should know what to do with ♥AQ, the only issues would be being in 7 opposite ♥AQx and ♠xxx but that isn't a disaster yet (xxx, AQx, AKx, QJxx is laydown without the spades)or not being in 7♠ with the same hand with Q♠ and not Q♥ (but he might bid 7♠ anyway).

On the other hand, what is 4♠ ? Normal over 2N is to have some arrangements about what 3♣/♦ show to distinguish between good and bad hands with major suit holdings, so 4♠ is unnecessary to show a good hand with spades. Why is partner preempting you ? I'd pass, if partner has a one loser spade suit and the A♦ or a stiff ♦ and a solid spade suit, then they should bid more constructively. Expect KQJ to 8 and out.

Edited, missed the 4N bid on the second board, would have passed 4♠, now would X 4N. Tough hand, you want to X 5♦ but bid 5♠ over 5♣, and even 4♥ doesn't make if they find the spade ruff.

[jillybean]

BunnyGo, on 2011-September-04, 02:22, said:

Does 3N set spades as trump for any follow-ups? Such as, would 5D be voidwood here? If so, I like bidding 5D on the way to some slam.

No, that is not part of our agreements.

[jillybean]

Here are the full hands

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[ggwhiz]

On 14 I like 3nt to show a 4-3-3-3 shape and would likely just stab 6 hearts over that knowing we have to own or find 3 Queens.

If your pard had bid 2♦ instead you have a shot at the grand.

followed by 2♥ - 2nt
3♥ - 4♥
4nt etc.

On 22 I would have bid 5♣ over 4nt just in case pard has running spades and a diamond control. Should lead to 5 spades in the end and pard probably should have bid that on your auction..

[helene_t]

I really don't like 6NT with a void. You must have a heart fit - hopefully p doesn't bid 3NT with 22(54). 6♥ is the right bid imho, lacking any mad science methods. P will bid 7 then.

On the second one I like you auction. Your opps need to have a discussion on U2NT style, probably.

Btw I agree with Michael that opening 2♣ is an option on the first hand but not on the second.

[jillybean]

#14 if the auction had started
1♠:2♦
2♥:2N
3♥: is 4♥ enough here?

#22 do you agree with 4♠ rather than 3♦ showing a gf ♠ hand, & why?

[P_Marlowe]

#14 - 6H, lack of a better bid.
7 maybe on, but I dont have a forcing call, and I dont want to hear a pass from p below slam level.

#22 - 6H, they have told me, that p is short in diamonds, so I am bidding slam, again 7 may be on, but see
my previous response.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[P_Marlowe]

jillybean, on 2011-September-05, 09:13, said:

#14 if the auction had started
1♠:2♦
2♥:2N
3♥: is 4♥ enough here?

#22 do you agree with 4♠ rather than 3♦ showing a gf ♠ hand, & why?

#14 4H is enough, opener is driving to slam, if he discovers a fit and GF values,
even with the known wastage in diamonds.

#22 I prefer 3D - the slower route, in the end this may not stop me from bidding
6H anyway, but if they dont kill the complete 4 level, we may be able to show /
deny SI.

With kind regards
Marlowe