[VM1973]

You hold:

♠Jxx
♥x
♦xx
♣AKQxxxx

IMPs. The auction goes:

1♣-Pass-1♠-Pass
??

Spoiler

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[TMorris]

2 ♣ for me. I guess the only alternative is 2 ♠ but you might get cut off from the clubs playing in spades.

[BunnyGo]

I also bid 2♣.

Spoiler

I strongly disagree with the 3♣ bid. I think that while the suit texture is correct for the bid, the hand is better described by opening 3♣ or rebidding 2♣. While the 3♣ rebid is primarily based on suit quality, it does need some strength in general to back it up--a shapely 10 count doesn't do it for me.

Edit: relooking at the hand, of course one would open 3NT instead of 3♣. I prefer it to 1♣.

[mike777]

2c wtp?


6c and around 10-15

if good 13+ then very ofen with a stiff or void, no 1nt opening.

[daveharty]

Given that you didn't open 3NT, then I think 2C is better than 2S. What's the old saw about "What do you call a seven-card suit?"

[BunnyGo]

 daveharty, on 2011-August-06, 16:55, said:

Given that you didn't open 3NT, then I think 2C is better than 2S. What's the old saw about "What do you call a seven-card suit?"

agreed, but if you check the spoiler, he rebid 3♣. I think he's asking about our opinion of that bid.

[Cyberyeti]

My auction went 3N-P-4♣ end and would never consider anything else. You've potentially got a good MP score off this but not one I'd want at IMPS.

[nige1]

 VM1973, on 2011-August-06, 13:28, said:

You hold: ♠IMPs Jxx ♥ x ♦ xx ♣ AKQxxxx The auction goes:
1♣-Pass-1♠-Pass
??

IMO 2♣ = 10. 2♠ = 8, 3♣ = 5

[wank]

your auction is off the chart.

you have nowhere near enough for 3♣, despite the 3 card spade fit. then your partner decided to pass a forcing bid at the end. 2 spades immediately would be ridiculous too btw.

[Phil]

These are some of the odder "ATB" problems I've seen around here.

[JLOGIC]

 nige1, on 2011-August-06, 18:24, said:

IMO 2♣ = 10. 2♠ = 8, 3♣ = 5

2S, are you kidding me?

[ahydra]

Has to be 2C... but I would have opened 3NT.

ahydra

[JLOGIC]

Opening 3N seems like a completely random bid

[Cyberyeti]

 JLOGIC, on 2011-August-07, 03:43, said:

Opening 3N seems like a completely random bid

So half the world is wrong in playing gambling 3N, or you require the J to consider it a solid suit ?

[daveharty]

 BunnyGo, on 2011-August-06, 16:57, said:

agreed, but if you check the spoiler, he rebid 3♣. I think he's asking about our opinion of that bid.

Ah...I didn't read the spoiler. I think the hand is an ace or king short of 3C despite the (possible) spade fit.

[nige1]

 nige1, on 2011-August-06, 18:24, said:

IMO 2♣ = 10. 2♠ = 8, 3♣ = 5

 JLOGIC, on 2011-August-07, 00:50, said:

2S, are you kidding me?

No 2♣ is my first choice but 2♠ is more pre-emptive and 4♠ has a reasonable chance of ten tricks, when partner holds, for example
♠ AKQxx ♥ xxxx ♦ xx ♣ xx or
♠ AQTxx ♥ Qxx ♦ xx ♣ xxx or
...
[Enough specially selected hands: Ed]

[JLOGIC]

 nige1, on 2011-August-07, 07:39, said:

No 2♣ is my first choice but 2♠ is more pre-emptive and 4♠ has a reasonable chance of ten tricks, when partner holds, for example
♠ AKQxx ♥ xxxx ♦ xx ♣ xx or
♠ AQTxx ♥ Qxx ♦ xx ♣ xxx or
...
[Enough specially selected hands: Ed]

These hands are pretty much impossible to me since the opponents have both passed and seem to be cold for game with a big double fit and more than half the deck.

[nige1]

 JLOGIC, on 2011-August-07, 08:09, said:

These hands are pretty much impossible to me since the opponents have both passed and seem to be cold for game with a big double fit and more than half the deck.

It rather depends on whether team-mates happily accept "opponent's timidity" as a valid excuse when you miss a reasonable 4♠. Also, defending 4♥ is no cinch but you don't mind taking your chances in defence at the five level.

Please remember that my role here is Devil's Advocate (I would bid 2♣ not 2♠).

[Free]

The only reason for me to raise on a 3 card suit if every other 'normal' rebid has some flaw (rebidding 5 card suit or poor 6 card suit, rebidding 1NT with a small doubleton or singleton,...). Here I don't see anything wrong with 2♣ because we have a good 6+ card suit, so I wouldn't raise ♠s with this hand.

[VM1973]

Assuming your partner has 5 spades then the hand contains only 6 losers. I did seriously consider bidding 2♠. With no advance discussion I didn't want to try a gambling 3NT. After partner bid 3♦ I felt certain that we had an 8+ card spade fit, but that turned out not to be the case.