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Vote: RKC or Quantitative

Poll: Vote: RKC or Quantitative (35 member(s) have cast votes)

1S - 3NT - 4NT

  1. RKC in [spades] (10 votes [28.57%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 28.57%

  2. Quantitative to invite 6NT (25 votes [71.43%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 71.43%

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#21 User is offline   quiddity 

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Posted 2011-August-01, 18:22

Assuming 3NT shows a balanced hand with a tight range (and I guess it should be pretty precise given the amount of space it takes up) then I think it would be better to play 4NT as rkc. Otherwise it becomes troublesome to handle the strong spade hands which just want to keycard. Meanwhile the loss of a quant bid is pretty minor given that responder has already tightly limited his/her hand.

edit: I see some suggestions that opener should cuebid on the way to rkc but then it becomes troublesome to show the 2-suiter.
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Posted 2011-August-02, 07:55

If 3NT agrees a balanced fit, then, 4NT is RKC.

If 3NT can be with only 2 , then, 4NT is quantitative.

Simple enough and it works, no need to complicate with cue bids in order to "set" trumps.
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Posted 2011-August-02, 10:06

View Postquiddity, on 2011-August-01, 18:22, said:

edit: I see some suggestions that opener should cuebid on the way to rkc but then it becomes troublesome to show the 2-suiter.

I think the 3NT bid has made it impossible to show a 2-suiter.

If the 3NT shows a 3 card fit for the Major, then 4-new suit will always be interpretted as a Ctrl Cue bid;

whereas:
1M - 2m! ( 2/1 GF )
3m - 3M always shows a 2-suiter.

Also, another negative attribute for the 3NT bid is when M = Hearts... now Opener has no room below 4H to cuebid Spades.
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Posted 2011-August-02, 11:25

:rolleyes: What about using the otherwise almost idle 3NT response as RKC for spades? It keeps the bidding lower and suggests slam. With all this other 13-15 HCP junk you can start with a forcing NT or temporize at the two level in one of your minor suit 4 baggers.
1. You can afford to ask for key cards and get out at the four level. No serious worries with a small doubleton side suit holding. You will be just with the field.
2. If opener has serious extras, then a 4NT response to 3NT is RKC in spades where five is at worst a safe bailout, six is very, very likely, and seven is in the picture.
3. With moderate extras, opener can suggest slam by venturing to the five level with a cue bid after responder signs off at 4.
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