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#1 User is offline   jillybean 

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Posted 2011-January-03, 13:20

I think this is quite obvious but the hand caused quite a heated discussion.


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Posted 2011-January-03, 13:21

LOL, 150% blame to North. ;)
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Posted 2011-January-03, 13:25

Yeah, 150% seems about right :D
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Posted 2011-January-03, 13:32

North should be taken out and shot...

Other than the initial double - which I don't like but have a small degree of sympathy for - I can't find a single bid by North that doesn't make my skin crawl...

At the table, I expect that I would perpetrate something like

(2♠ - 2N - (P) - 3♦
(P) - 3♥ - (P) - 3N
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Posted 2011-January-03, 14:11

I agree with the posters that North is entirely to blame. I have very little sympathy for the double. I would much rather make a heavy 3♦ call. If partner cannot act over 3♦, we may be in the right contract.

The 2NT overcall might work, but it has serious flaws. If my spade holding were KJx instead of Kxx I would have more sympathy for a 2NT overcall.
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Posted 2011-January-03, 14:33

I love your heading!
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Posted 2011-January-03, 14:45

100% West - how dare he open a weak two then double our slam.
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Posted 2011-January-03, 15:09

I could give as much as 400% to North, for doubling, RKCing, and asking for HQ and extra kings when two key cards are missing :)

South on the other hand UNDERbid, by failing to show HQ over 5D.

Flip a coin between an offshape 2NT or an overstrength 3D. Either one could work or not work on any given day.
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Posted 2011-January-03, 15:12

View PostCascade, on 2011-January-03, 14:45, said:

100% West - how dare he open a weak two then double our slam.

Worse than that, West psyched the 2♠ opening holding
AQT964, KT53, x, xx
everyone knows you can't open a weak 2M with 4 cards in the other major.

Yes, North was the expert.
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Posted 2011-January-03, 16:11

South denied ♥Q for an unknown reason, if he bids 5NT he saves some points, so not blameless, still north is the one who made terrible double and then wanted to rectify on an impossible way.
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Posted 2011-January-03, 17:28

View Postjillybean, on 2011-January-03, 15:12, said:

Yes, North was the expert.


Nope.
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Posted 2011-January-03, 18:07

View Postjillybean, on 2011-January-03, 15:12, said:

Worse than that, West psyched the 2♠ opening holding
AQT964, KT53, x, xx
everyone knows you can't open a weak 2M with 4 cards in the other major.

Yes, North was the expert.


North is 100% to blame here. I trust you are joking with your comment regarding 4 in the other Major.
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Posted 2011-January-03, 18:38

Kathryn, sometimes you have to accept that you are the expert. After all, you have the right strategy to reality check your plays and bids with good players on the forum. The club experts just KNOW that they are right when they are wrong. They stop thinking.
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Posted 2011-January-04, 08:17

How should North bid with ♥K iso ♥7?
(I wonder if he can DBL and then has a bid over 4♥ that shows a strong hand without ♥ length)
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Posted 2011-January-04, 10:26

View Postthe hog, on 2011-January-03, 18:07, said:

I trust you are joking with your comment regarding 4 in the other Major.

Lol, of course. -1400 provided the incentive to atleast think about an adjustment ;)
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Posted 2011-January-04, 15:09

I'm curious as to what North would possibly have to say during the "heated discussion" that followed this hand...
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Posted 2011-January-04, 15:46

View Postkgr, on 2011-January-04, 08:17, said:

How should North bid with ♥K iso ♥7?
(I wonder if he can DBL and then has a bid over 4♥ that shows a strong hand without ♥ length)


Maybe he can double and then cuebid. I think that tends to be strain-seeking rather than promising heart support but I'm not sure.
He could also just overcall 3NT.
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Posted 2011-January-05, 08:58

LOL @ North, he's a funny clown!
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Posted 2011-January-05, 17:59

North probably meant X then 4NT as natural. Of course when South takes it as RKC then disaster ensues...

Personally I'd have just bid 3NT. Kxx isn't ideal but you can't have everything, particularly when opps pre-empt.

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Posted 2011-January-06, 03:39

View Postkgr, on 2011-January-04, 08:17, said:

How should North bid with ♥K iso ♥7?
(I wonder if he can DBL and then has a bid over 4♥ that shows a strong hand without ♥ length)

View Postahydra, on 2011-January-05, 17:59, said:

North probably meant X then 4NT as natural. Of course when South takes it as RKC then disaster ensues...
That is why I had that question: how to bid none ♥ fit after a DBL?
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