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#21 User is offline   kenrexford 

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Posted 2010-August-18, 19:44

I like Pass...2♣ as clubs and 4-3 or 3-4 in the majors, actually.
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Posted 2010-August-19, 02:50

cherdanno, on Aug 19 2010, 01:19 AM, said:

I play that pass forces redouble, over which 2♣ by me shows a balanced hand with 4 clubs and 2 diamonds; partner can bid 2♦ to ask for my longer major.

Is that an empathetic penalty try?
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2010-August-19, 03:35

what is everyone smoking? pass is pass.
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Posted 2010-August-19, 04:30

gnasher, on Aug 17 2010, 10:32 PM, said:

What would be the point of agreeing that 2♣ showed clubs and another if I wasn't going to use it on this hand?

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Posted 2010-August-20, 18:03

There was a hand in the Cayne team match this evening, where North opened 1NT, strong, at both tables. South was balanced, 3-4-3-3, with no high-card point. The bidding went around to West, who doubled. That ended it at one table, and 1NTx went down 800. A rescue operation was attempted at the other table. North-South had a 4-4 heart fit but didn't find it, playing instead 2Cx in a 3-3 club "fit." This was down 1100, so minus 800 in 1NTx was worth +7IMPs.

No doubt the rescue operation was inept, but 2Hx wasn't going to be much of an improvement, if it was going to be an improvement at all.

Sometimes it is best just to take your medicine in 1NTx, and hope that at the other table they start rescuing each other with a balanced hand opposite a balanced hand.
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Posted 2010-August-20, 18:15

4333, sure sit it. 4432, run.
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Posted 2010-August-20, 18:52

tgoodwinsr, on Aug 20 2010, 07:03 PM, said:

There was a hand in the Cayne team match this evening, where North opened 1NT, strong, at both tables. South was balanced, 3-4-3-3, with no high-card point. The bidding went around to West, who doubled. That ended it at one table, and 1NTx went down 800. A rescue operation was attempted at the other table. North-South had a 4-4 heart fit but didn't find it, playing instead 2Cx in a 3-3 club "fit." This was down 1100, so minus 800 in 1NTx was worth +7IMPs. No doubt the rescue operation was inept, but 2Hx wasn't going to be much of an improvement, if it was going to be an improvement at all. Sometimes it is best just to take your medicine in 1NTx, and hope that at the other table they start rescuing each other with a balanced hand opposite a balanced hand.

lmilne, on Aug 20 2010, 07:15 PM, said:

4333, sure sit it.  4432, run.
I agree that a 4333 hand shouldn't run; but the obvious advantage of reaching two of a major is that it is harder to double speculatively because the odds worsen especially when non-vul. Also doublers risk a lecture from their team-mates about doubling into game.
1NX- 1 +100 or +200
1NX= -180
2HX-1 +100 or +200
2HX= -470 or -670
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Posted 2010-August-20, 19:11

Sorry for trying to discuss bridge with you ken.
Please let me know about any questions or interest or bug reports about GIB.
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Posted 2010-August-20, 19:13

I would run from 1Nx with a 4333 and zero hcp. It's harder on your opponents than you might think.
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Posted 2010-August-20, 19:52

I want to correct my report of the hand in question: South actually had 1hcp (the jack of clubs), not none.
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