[pirate22]

Partner picks his hand up--------Ohhhhhhhhhhh!!! i have a 6 card suit...
and im dealer Bang 2 of it------perhaps partner has few points and passes,next hand passes------me i have a 6 card suit Bang 2 of it---but neither of us looked at the vulnerability.and either of us. Have announced to our opps what we have, and more importantly what we do not have--an opening hand.now the range
6-11---5-11--7-11----some pick up partners even as much as 4 points.
What does Vulnerability mean-----DANGER!!!!!
If we are Vuln does this put a brake on opening a weak 2 just for the hell of it.
should one heed the Vuln and upgrade the point value say 9-11 min,and NON VULN
be my guest partner4-11.opps are no mugs-counter defences have been around for some time---------As an individual I was brought up on Strong 2's,but fashion came in,and weak 2's are the rage.......to beginners and learners,and im ashamed to say some advanced/intermediate players use this as a CRUTCH.
Lets have some input to this subject.sometimes and most times keeping silent with ones 6 card suit is an embarresment to the opp's final contract.
regards.

[manudude03]

I'm not exactly sure what it is you're asking. First of all, using points to decide whether to open a weak 2 isn't a great idea. There is something called the Rules of 2 and 3 (and 4) where a pre-empt should not go more than X off. The other reason you shouldn't rely on points is this- which of these hands would you rather have for a pre-empt:

a) xxxxxx QJ QJ QJx
b) AQT9xx x xxxx xx.

There are other reasons for wanting to pre-empt often. Suppose you open 2♠and get a 2NT overcall. Advancer has to commit whether to stay in a partscore or go for game. If you didn't open, there would probably be a 1NT opener. Now responder has stayman, transfers, and other conventions which they didn't have available.

I am also in the same boat as you sofaras I was also brought up on strong 2s. However, now that I've had a lot of experience with weak 2s (and other weak openings), I can definately say weak 2s are superior. I think crutch might be the wrong word for it though, it doesn't affect the rest of the system that much.

[pirate22]

ok this is the sort of input i want---you state rule of 2/3/4 elaborate plse

with your examples state if Vuln or non vulnerable what would i bid ??
which ever i would not use either for a weak 2 vuln/non vuln as dealer.after 2 passes--maybe:)
I thought weak 2's had a point count range---------

[manudude03]

If partner puts down a weak balanced hand, you should be expecting to go 2 off at unfavourable (vul vs nv), 3 off at equal (vul/vul or nv/nv) or 4 off (nv/vul). Another way of thinking of it is that a weak 2 is at most a 7/8/9 loser hand respectively.

[gurgistan]

pirate22, on Jul 28 2010, 09:48 AM, said:

As an individual I was brought up on Strong 2's,but fashion came in,and weak 2's are the rage.......

Fashion has nothing to do with it.

Statistically, weak 2s occur much more often than strong 2s.

So, you can either

wait a long time to be dealt a strong 2

or

regular disrupt opponents' bidding with your weak 2s.

[pirate22]

Fashion is perhaps the wrong word--agree weak 2's occur more than strong 2's,but having adopted weak 2's my self--one has to have a good combatent system.
examples follow.....but as an added observation, if our partnership arrives at a part score or game contract,its becomes simple to develope the hand,after all one knows the shape of one hand{the 2 opener)points or losers.
example you are North.
{A} Kx-KQ109--QJx--AJ9x. or

{B} x--AJ10--AKJxx--KQ109x or

{C} V--KQJ109x--AKJ10x--Kx. or

{D} x--AQ10965x--Ax--875x. or

{E} KJx--KQ1098--Kx--AJx.
vuln is important but leave it to one side. E ast opens 2sp weak.
what does north bid each hand if S & W pass. 5 answers.ABCDE
If S passes West opens 2sp--now what does N bid. 5 answers ABCDE.
what arrangements do you have in place? and is anything alertable?