Frosty, on Aug 4 2004, 04:33 PM, said:
Helllllooooooooooooo!!!!
Did any of you happen to read Gwen's post??????
IMN2BHO, there is an inherent condescension here that precludes any real resolution. First of all - there is a LARGE group of bridge players who will never function on a highly intellectual level. This is not their goal. This group, while they may be interested in, and may work towards better bridge skills, are not likely to ever embrace the level of expertise or complexity that is apparent in this thread. Believe it or not, they play predominantly for the fun of it.
Many of the BBO TD's, myself included, volunteer to serve player of all levels. In doing so, we must come to some middle of the road approach that makes our events enjoyable for a mix of players/skills. While your system may be mathematically sound and intellectually logical - it may appear to others as if you are speaking a foreign language, so you'd better be prepared to make lots of alerts. WBF and ACBL policies notwithstanding - I just want players in my tournaments to do the best they can with the skills they have with the end result being that they get something out of the tournament - even if that is only 1.5 hours of fun.
Gweny is absolutely right - frankly its disingenuous to criticize the skills of the TD's if you are unwilling to do anything to contribute to improvement. It smacks of making yourself seem large by comparison when you de-edify others this way.
Frosty
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Comment 1: Please feel free to run whatever type of tournament that you want. In particular, I'm more than happy if folks want to run events that include system restrictions and I will most certainly respect the conditions of contents.
However, in this case the entire problem occured because the posted Conditions of Contest did not match the "actual" Conditions of Contest. If you look back to my original posting, I made two points:
(A) That I thought that [name removed by inquiry] normally did a very good job running tournaments.
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I wish that he had used more care when applying terms with formal and well understood definitions.
Comment 2:
>While your system may be mathematically sound and intellectually logical -
>it may appear to others as if you are speaking a foreign language, so you'd
>better be prepared to make lots of alerts.
What makes you think that we don't ???
Comment 3: Gweny's post contains her standard refrain:
>However, if you are curious why tds avoid this forums it is because of
>striking lack of help from our "experts". We ask 2-3 times now for clinics
>from those of you who are so happy to report all of our faults but none of
>our good points.
As I have noted several times in the past, there are any number of excellent sources of information on the net that novice tournament directors can use to get information and solict opinions from more experienced directors. The best include:
(A) The Bridge Laws Mailing list
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David Stevenson's Bridge Director's forum
© A wide variety of online case books
(D) rec.games.bridge
The quality and variety of advice that you are able to get from these sources is MUCH better than you will get here on the BBO forums. In particular, David Stevenson is a very senior director who is very experienced with online bridge and is going out of his way to help novice directors.
I don't recall seeing a single posting from a BBO director in any of these locations.
From my own perspective, I don't see much reason to go out of my way to develop special clinics for a group of individuals who aren't making use of whats already available.
Whats the old saying: You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink?
This post has been edited by inquiry: 2004-August-09, 11:28