Alerted?
#1
Posted 2010-June-18, 15:16
1♦ - 2♦*
2♥
2♦ is limit + (alerted)
2♥ is a stopper
Re: 2♥ - Alert? or Not?
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#2
Posted 2010-June-18, 15:37
#3
Posted 2010-June-18, 15:40
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#4
Posted 2010-June-18, 15:44
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#5
Posted 2010-June-18, 15:52
#6
Posted 2010-June-18, 15:55
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#7
Posted 2010-June-18, 16:10
But it also never occurred to us not to alert 2H. It means so much more than just a heart stopper, and certainly could be fewer than 3 cards. Whether it actually is alertable might be of importance to someone else not familiar with common follow-ups.
#8
Posted 2010-June-18, 16:29
aguahombre, on Jun 18 2010, 05:10 PM, said:
"could be fewer than three" is certainly the general regulation in the EBU and there are no relevant exceptions to that, so I would expect it to be alerted if you would make it on AK tight.
#9
Posted 2010-June-18, 18:30
My understanding for the last forty years is that after suit agreement in a minor a new suit shows a stopper and no-one has ever alerted it. I would be surprised if it was a doubleton, but obviously there will be hands where nothing else suits.
I think the reason no-one ever alerts it is that it feels like a natural bid. If your partner were to bid this way, you would not think to yourself "I wonder if he has a doubleton?". You would be unlikely to care. What you would think is that he controls hearts for no-trumps so now you can worry about the black suits.
The possibility of a doubleton is low and not generally considered. But technically that possibility makes it alertable in England/Wales, and possibly in the ACBL as well.
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#10
Posted 2010-June-19, 01:51
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Presumably "technically" is a weasel word meaning it doesn't matter much. In forms of Precision where I've played this it has been alerted although it is infrequently two but I think the regulation is completely clear that it should be.
#11
Posted 2010-June-19, 07:16
What connectin has this to do with a Precision 1♦? Since when has that been natural? I do not understand the point in comparing unlike cases.
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#12
Posted 2010-June-19, 08:04
In contrast, 1D-2D-2S just BARELY might warrant an alert, if it is played as "something in spades or a spade suit, tends to deny heart stopper" because it includes a message that is not related to spades, but nobody alerts this either, and why should they when everybody plays it and the logic of the auction is available to all four players.
#13
Posted 2010-June-19, 09:35
There's no provision in the regulation for not alerting calls that "everybody plays" either.
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#14
Posted 2010-June-19, 10:07
blackshoe, on Jun 19 2010, 10:35 AM, said:
There's no provision in the regulation for not alerting calls that "everybody plays" either.
This is conflict with 1S-2S-3H [HSGT] which is not alertable. I trust that you are more familiar with the regulation than I am.
With "everybody" I was getting at the fact there will be no damage for non-alert even if by ACBL regulation it would be alertable.
#15
Posted 2010-June-19, 11:12
And I'm sorry to disappoint a number of posters, but I play all of
1C - 2C - 2H
1C - 2C - 2S
1D - 2D - 2S
as natural, promising a 4+ card suit
If I were playing weak NT, 4-card majors and not inverted raises I would also play all the
1m - 2m; 2M
sequences
as natural
#16
Posted 2010-June-19, 11:45
Peachy, iirc, the difference is that HSGTs are explicitly mentioned in the alert regulation as not requiring an alert.
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#17
Posted 2010-June-19, 11:52
FrancesHinden, on Jun 19 2010, 06:12 PM, said:
1C - 2C - 2H
1C - 2C - 2S
1D - 2D - 2S
as natural, promising a 4+ card suit
Not just me then.
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#18
Posted 2010-June-19, 12:06
I don't understand looking for a fit in a major which as already been denied, or bidding an inverted minor raise with a four card major suit. But I think the opponents should use this approach.
#19
Posted 2010-June-19, 12:49
blackshoe, on Jun 19 2010, 12:45 PM, said:
Peachy, iirc, the difference is that HSGTs are explicitly mentioned in the alert regulation as not requiring an alert.
My gut feeling is that they forgot to list this one explicitly also as not alertable. But as said, I am not going to argue further. I trust you know the regulation probably better than I do. Perhaps advice from ACBL might be in order, unless of course you are already 100% sure it is alertable.
#20
Posted 2010-June-19, 12:53
aguahombre, on Jun 19 2010, 01:06 PM, said:
Why? Bidding an inverted 2♣ that may have a 4cM is a perfectly reasonable approach that many play. I think it works especially well when 1♣ is sh¤rt.
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