[Jlall]

gnasher, on Sep 3 2009, 06:17 AM, said:

Apart from the risks already mentioned, if we bid 4♠ there's a fair chance of losing 850 in 5♥x.  Or are we going to bid 5♠ too?

There's also a fair chance of +200 when passing nets us -650.

TBH surprised anyone good would pass. (not surprised most bad players pass though, ZOMG 5 HCP!)

[gnasher]

Jlall, on Sep 5 2009, 03:13 AM, said:

gnasher, on Sep 3 2009, 06:17 AM, said:

Apart from the risks already mentioned, if we bid 4♠ there's a fair chance of losing 850 in 5♥x.  Or are we going to bid 5♠ too?

There's also a fair chance of +200 when passing nets us -650.

TBH surprised anyone good would pass. (not surprised most bad players pass though, ZOMG 5 HCP!)

I haven't actually said I'd pass - I was just pointing out a factor than no one had mentioned, and which I think is more important than the ones that had been mentioned.

[WesleyC]

Great question - I agree pretty strongly with the minority view. I'd bid 4S at all colours except UNFAV.

[billw55]

To me it's a clear pass at any scoring or vulnerability. If I bid 4♠ on this junk, I'm letting the opponents jerk me around.

Besides, why shouldn't partner have a call over 4♥ and two passes? Chances are he has a better bid than I do.

[dake50]

I sure hope partner can do something in 4-seat.