[gnasher]

jdonn, on Feb 20 2009, 05:01 PM, said:

I can't picture what shape bids pick a slam. 1435 should raise diamonds since partner has 6+ for his bid (four hearts or clubs would have bid 4NT, 2353 would have passed). 1336 can just bid 6♣ (this has to include tolerance for the other suits since we didn't bid 5♣ a round earlier).

I think 6♣ would be more like 1426, eg 3 AKJx A10 AKQxxx. It would be rather unsatisfactory to have to jump to 6♣ over 4♠ with that.

[jdonn]

gnasher, on Feb 20 2009, 01:46 PM, said:

jdonn, on Feb 20 2009, 05:01 PM, said:

I can't picture what shape bids pick a slam. 1435 should raise diamonds since partner has 6+ for his bid (four hearts or clubs would have bid 4NT, 2353 would have passed). 1336 can just bid 6♣ (this has to include tolerance for the other suits since we didn't bid 5♣ a round earlier).

I think 6♣ would be more like 1426, eg 3 AKJx A10 AKQxxx. It would be rather unsatisfactory to have to jump to 6♣ over 4♠ with that.

It would be that too. Unfortunately there are many more possible shapes that double twice than there are bids over 5♦.

[hanp]

I think that if partner bids 6C over 5NT then that's more likely the right spot than 6D. Assuming that 5NT shows the minors.

[the hog]

Well you won't hold this hand every day of the week, but what about:
(2S) P (4S) X
(P) 5D

void
Axx
AQxxx
AKQJx

You want to be in 7 if Pd has the DK.

[sathyab]

awm, on Feb 19 2009, 06:47 PM, said:

sathyab, on Feb 19 2009, 05:50 PM, said:

What if partner's Diamond suit is disproportionately stronger and longer than his Clubs ? If you bid 4nt with x Kxx Kxxxx 8xxx or xx Kx Kxxxx 8xxx, then your argument about not looking for a second place to play is valid. Does everyone bid 4nt with either of these hands ? Or how about xx Kxx Kxxxx Jxx ? Is this an automatic pass as he's balanced ?

I'd bid 4NT on the given hands. I believe in finding my bigger fit on these hands. I don't think just "having the king in one suit and no honor in the other" is enough to be unilateral here. Partner could easily have a 2425 or 1525 pattern for the double and how happy am I playing in 5♦ now? Bidding 4NT guarantees me to find at least an 8-card fit whereas diamonds could easily by seven.

I would also pass with xx Kxx Kxxxx Jxx. It is easy to construct hands that are quite reasonable doubles where we cannot make at the five level opposite this hand and defending 4♠X is pretty much a guaranteed plus score. True it will not get me the best score on this particular hand but what can we do?

I was watching this hand and I remembered that there was a discussion of this sort a while ago Would you pass 4♥X or bid 5♦ ?

Scoring: IMP

(2h)-X-(4h)-p-(p)-X-(p)

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[pooltuna]

sathyab, on Feb 15 2009, 12:45 PM, said:

Scoring: IMP

(2s)-p-(4s)-X-(p)-5d-(p)-?

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Partner doesn't need much for a slam. ♦KJxxx[x] may be all that he needs, as the heart finesse may be on as well. Do you to think this is worth one more bid and if so is there anything better than 6♦ ?

6♦ it is

[sathyab]

pooltuna, on Sep 12 2009, 07:31 PM, said:

sathyab, on Feb 15 2009, 12:45 PM, said:

Scoring: IMP

(2s)-p-(4s)-X-(p)-5d-(p)-?

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Partner doesn't need much for a slam. ♦KJxxx[x] may be all that he needs, as the heart finesse may be on as well. Do you to think this is worth one more bid and if so is there anything better than 6♦ ?

6♦ it is

That hand has been discussed at some length a while ago. The new auction, where you had JTx Ax QJTxx xxx and partner doubles 2♥ first and then 4♥ again, is from a more recent event. Several posters had suggested earlier that balanced hands of moderate strength shouldn't bid over 4♥ X, as it could easily be turning a sure plus into a possible minus. The reason I posted the new auction was to get the opinion of those posters.

[bid_em_up]

sathyab, on Sep 13 2009, 01:26 AM, said:

pooltuna, on Sep 12 2009, 07:31 PM, said:

6♦ it is

That hand has been discussed at some length a while ago. ......The reason I posted the new auction was to get the opinion of those posters

You revived this thread from the dead, instead of starting a new one, and then complain when somebody answers the original question on page one, and doesn't answer your new question that is on page 4?

How f*&^d up is that?

Seriously, the temperment of this thread was terrible from the beginning, and if you wanted reasonable answers to the new problem, you would have been much better off starting fresh, instead of reopening old wounds and then pouring salt in them to boot.

[Jlall]

5N on the first hand should be a 3 card disparity. 6C would be a 4 card disparity. With a 2 card disparity you bid 6D because partner will always have 2 more diamonds than clubs to have bid 5D.

As such I disagree with a previous comment that when partner bids 6C over 5N it will be better than 6D. I expect to sometimes be in a shorter trump suit.