[Ant590]

Scoring: IMP

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Right hand opponent opens a weak NT (12-14)

(1NT) - pass - (2♣) - 4♣
(pass) - pass - (dbl) - pass
(4♥) - ?

Do you agree with the pass over partner's 4♣?
What do you choose to do now?
What would redouble from partner be/show?

Edit: I previously had LHO opening, as someone below spotted

[rogerclee]

I assume you mean RHO opened a 12-14 NT.

Redouble by partner is not possible.

Now I would pass.

[Free]

Do you agree with the pass over partner's 4♣?
yes

What do you choose to do now?
pass wtp?

What would redouble from partner be/show?
"I'm an idiot: lets preempt and then give opps extra space"

[gnasher]

If I were going to bid, I'd have done it a round earlier. It's silly to force the opponents to guess, then assume that they've guessed right. On this hand they could be cold for slam or about to do off in game.

[Codo]

wtp wtp wnp

translated: Obvious pass both rounds and XX is "want new partner"

[OleBerg]

Everybody agrees with me.

[Tomi2]

Ant590, on Dec 12 2008, 07:09 AM, said:

What would redouble from partner be/show?

if partner redoubled this i'd lead the 2 of dias and say "one down is good bridge"

[Ant590]

I did indeed pass, and this result was an lost us a few IMPs, which I was happy with as I guess the opps had to find their best strain, which they did.

My partner's opinion was that he had promised 7 clubs and a pre-emptive hand, so it was going down at most three (for a +120 gain) given that I had Ax of clubs. What would you say in defence to my pass?

[Lobowolf]

gnasher, on Dec 12 2008, 08:00 AM, said:

If I were going to bid, I'd have done it a round earlier. It's silly to force the opponents to guess, then assume that they've guessed right. On this hand they could be cold for slam or about to do off in game.

Seems to be fairly unanimous. I think this post best sums up the most applicable reasoning. I'd add that 5332 distribution with 2 of partner's suit and 3 of theirs doesn't support competing at the 5-level. It's not like a hand with more extreme distribution that might be much more useful on offense than defense.

[Lobowolf]

Ant590, on Dec 12 2008, 11:40 AM, said:

What would you say in defence to my pass?

"All the cool people on BBO Forums agreed with me."

[bid_em_up]

Ant590, on Dec 12 2008, 11:40 AM, said:

My partner's opinion was that he had promised 7 clubs and a pre-emptive hand, so it was going down at most three (for a +120 gain) given that I had Ax of clubs. What would you say in defence to my pass?

Tell partner to take up golf. If he can't subtract 11-7 and come up with down 4, he will never be able to count to 13.

[FrancesHinden]

OleBerg, on Dec 12 2008, 03:44 PM, said:

Everybody agrees with me.

No, everyone agrees with me.

[rogerclee]

Ant590, on Dec 12 2008, 09:40 AM, said:

My partner's opinion was that he had promised 7 clubs and a pre-emptive hand, so it was going down at most three (for a +120 gain) given that I had Ax of clubs.

LOL

[OleBerg]

FrancesHinden, on Dec 12 2008, 07:05 PM, said:

OleBerg, on Dec 12 2008, 03:44 PM, said:

Everybody agrees with me.

No, everyone agrees with me.

I agree.

[cherdano]

Ant590, on Dec 12 2008, 10:40 AM, said:

I did indeed pass, and this result was an lost us a few IMPs, which I was happy with as I guess the opps had to find their best strain, which they did.

My partner's opinion was that he had promised 7 clubs and a pre-emptive hand, so it was going down at most three (for a +120 gain) given that I had Ax of clubs. What would you say in defence to my pass?

I would tell him that making 7 tricks after bidding 5 clubs is down 4.

[han]

You can easily go down 4 (xxx x xx KQJxxxx is a fine white vs red preempt I think).

It's fairly unlikely (but possible) that you beat 4H. I think sacrificing will fairly often win 3, a little less often cost 4 and every once in a while be a terrible disaster. At teams you should not aim t make these close sarifices.

As others have said, a direct 5C has more merit, as the chance that they go wrong will be higher. Then they will sometimes go down in 5H and you'll have a big victory, to cancel the occasional phantom sacrifice.

[Lobowolf]

Ant590, on Dec 12 2008, 11:40 AM, said:

I did indeed pass, and this result was an lost us a few IMPs, which I was happy with as I guess the opps had to find their best strain, which they did.

My partner's opinion was that he had promised 7 clubs and a pre-emptive hand, so it was going down at most three (for a +120 gain) given that I had Ax of clubs. What would you say in defence to my pass?

On a slightly less facetious note, you might point out that there was no guarantee that 4♥ was making, and if it went down, then -3 wouldn't be much of a bargain.

[P_Marlowe]

Pass.

You have no idea, if they have discovered a 4-4 fit.

With kind regards
Marlowe

PS: I would tell partner, that he should not worry about
a gain of 120, if this is our highest loss on any hand, we
will beat them comfortable.
Besides, partner assumed, that they make 4H, which is
not clear at all.

[mtvesuvius]

Ant590, on Dec 12 2008, 12:40 PM, said:

My partner's opinion was that he had promised 7 clubs and a pre-emptive hand, so it was going down at most three (for a +120 gain) given that I had Ax of clubs. What would you say in defence to my pass?

Your defense for pass: "I can count to 13, can you? Go fish."

[Fluffy]

Aiming for -500 or -200 is not a winning strategy at IMPs.

A good defence is one that you either know your opponents are making game, or you have a chance to make the contract yourself, when none of the above meet you are gambling too much.