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#1 User is offline   maggieb 

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Posted 2008-December-01, 18:41

We had a wonderful time in cold and rainy Boston. Here is a hand from the national swiss that I kibitzed:

KQxxxx
Qxx
Qx
Ax

RHO opened 1C, strong. You are red against white, would you overcall 1S or 2S?

Apparantly the player who held this hand thought two spades was a bit too much at these colors because he bid only one spade. Now LHO passed (showing 0-5 or a penalty pass) partner raised to 2S and RHO bid 3H. Bidding repeated for your convenience:

(1C) - 1S - (p) - 2S
(3H) - ??

What oh what would you do now?
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Posted 2008-December-01, 22:23

Agree with 1, now 3.
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Posted 2008-December-01, 22:26

Possibly he didn't bid 2 because that would show some other hand type. :)

But yeah, if 1 is the bid on the first round, I'll bid 3 now.
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Posted 2008-December-01, 22:29

Tough hand but a pass for me.

I dont have shortness and partner may not have short hearts so bidding on is too dangerous.
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Posted 2008-December-01, 22:53

I think this is very similar to the auction:

1 - 1 - P - 2
3 - ???

Perhaps opener's hand is slightly better on average and responder's hand is slightly worse.

Obviously at IMPs red vs. white this is not a "non-problem" (at MPs I think bidding 3 is pretty clear-cut) but I would pretty routinely bid 3 here.
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Posted 2008-December-01, 22:59

I actually like 2 to begin with. It's more likely their hand than ours, he might misguess the queens if he plays it, and it is probably a reasonable contract if it gets passed out (although I wouldn't expect to make in that case.)
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Posted 2008-December-02, 08:58

I think I would also bid 2S immediately.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2008-December-03, 14:01

At unfavourable I might have chosen 2, but I'd most probably have overcalled 1 even at that vulerability.

Now it's close, but I'll venture 3.
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Posted 2008-December-03, 14:25

Even at that vulnerability? Isn't it clear to bid 2S when white?
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2008-December-05, 12:44

I like 2 initially, but I do think it's dangerous. The strong clubbers will have a much harder time with that then they will with 1.
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Posted 2008-December-05, 15:10

maggieb, on Dec 1 2008, 07:41 PM, said:

We had a wonderful time in cold and rainy Boston. Here is a hand from the national swiss that I kibitzed:
KQxxxx
Qxx
Qx
Ax
RHO opened 1C, strong. You are red against white, would you overcall 1S or 2S?

Apparantly the player who held this hand thought two spades was a bit too much at these colors because he bid only one spade. Now LHO passed (showing 0-5 or a penalty pass) partner raised to 2S and RHO bid 3H. Bidding repeated for your convenience:

(1C) - 1S - (p) - 2S
(3H) - ??

What oh what would you do now?

IMO it depends on your methods. Here we play 2 as intermediate (6 card suit or excellent five card suit with at least opening values, so...
  • Over (1), 2 = 10, 1 = 5, _P = 2.
  • After (1) 1 (_P) 2 (3), X(Game try) = 10, 3 = 7, _P = 6.

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Posted 2008-December-06, 13:34

Pass.

I think 1S is fine.

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Posted 2008-December-06, 14:05

I'd bid 2.

If the strong clubber open 16+ HCP and I have 13 HCP, there are 11 HCP left for the other 2 players.

If I open 2 opps have the problem, that they did not show a suit up to now, and don't know anything about their fit. Additionally they will more often have 16 +5(6) HCP as sufficient strength for game. Openers partner will usually have to pass, giving little information to his partner. This will make it harder for opener to find a fit or a penalty dbl.

If I open 1 opps can find their fit at the 2 level and are in a better position to reevaluate their hands knowing about their fit. This might allow them to compete at the 3 level or find their rare games.
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