[ghow]

Scoring: IMP

(p) p (3DI) ?

for those passing,what is the min. upgrade to get you to bid here?

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[maggieb]

Give me the ♠K and I would consider this a minimum 3♠ bid.

[jdonn]

With this spade suit given you would need quite a strong hand. If you change the hand to

AJTxx
xxx
Axx
Ax

Then you are pretty close, although most wouldn't bid without a little more. If you further change that to

AJTxxx
xxx
Ax
Ax

Then it's a minimum 3♠ bid for me. So obviously you can't say "13 points" is minimum or something since the hand with 13 you gave is not even close to a bid.

[maggieb]

Josh, I am in the category of "most others" who would not consider overcalling 3♠ on the first hand you gave. However, opposite a passed hand, I don't think it's close. Do you view having ♦Axx as a bonus? I would think that passing and bidding 4♠ over a balancing double is a much better way of tackling the hand.

[jdonn]

maggieb, on Nov 19 2008, 03:54 PM, said:

Josh, I am in the category of "most others" who would not consider overcalling 3♠ on the first hand you gave. However, opposite a passed hand, I don't think it's close. Do you view having ♦Axx as a bonus? I would think that passing and bidding 4♠ over a balancing double is a much better way of tackling the hand.

How do I get a debate when I say most wouldn't bid I would not bid on that hand, so if your only debate is I'm not passing emphatically enough then oops?

And yes Axx is a bonus, it guarantees shortness in partner's hand (or three cards in which case they probably can't even lead the suit.) It's better than Ax really since that leaves you open to possible overruffs.

[P_Marlowe]

Given that partner is a passed hand, making game our
side unlikely and that the 3D bid became wide ranging,
3S is nuts.

For me the suit quality would be to bad, even if the above
statments were false.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[whereagles]

Pard is a passed hand and we've got diamond length. To bid here is, in my opinion, totally misjudged.

I would require something like an upgrade of spades to KJT to bid. If KJ is all I have... I'll be in a quandry.

[effervesce]

Bid 3♠ if you want to go for a telephone number. Even if 3♠ is making, partner will raise 3♠ on quite a few hands like

Kxx Kxx xx Kxxxx