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What is this double

Poll: What is this double (41 member(s) have cast votes)

What is this double

  1. Take-out (16 votes [39.02%])

    Percentage of vote: 39.02%

  2. Penalty (23 votes [56.10%])

    Percentage of vote: 56.10%

  3. Values, perhaps with something like Hxx in clubs (2 votes [4.88%])

    Percentage of vote: 4.88%

  4. Other (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

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#21 User is offline   cherdano 

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Posted 2008-November-19, 18:40

awm, on Nov 19 2008, 06:30 PM, said:

jdonn, on Nov 19 2008, 07:23 PM, said:

Actually I agree with you that penalty is more useful the worse your opponents and less useful the better your opponents. The reason you mention is hardly a factor, it has more to do with some people out there who make bids like this 2♣ on abysmal hands.

"If the opponents' convention card includes stolen bid doubles or mini-roman 2♦, then double in this auction is penalty. Otherwise it is takeout." :)

"We play mini-roman against people who play this double as takeout, and a weak 2♦ against those who play penalty."
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Posted 2008-November-19, 21:29

rogerclee, on Nov 20 2008, 08:07 AM, said:

1) It only gains to play this double is takeout when we are exactly 44 in the majors and could not make a takeout double of 1♣. Certainly there are lots of hands that fit this description, but the utility of having a responsive double here is less when we didn't double or overcall over 1♣.

I doubt that this is true.

4-3 or 3-4 in the majors with a some support for partner would be a fine double.
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Posted 2008-November-20, 02:25

The actual hand can be seen on my blog.
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Posted 2008-November-20, 03:46

jdonn, on Nov 20 2008, 12:23 AM, said:

Actually I agree with you that penalty is more useful the worse your opponents and less useful the better your opponents. The reason you mention is hardly a factor, it has more to do with some people out there who make bids like this 2♣ on abysmal hands.

Absolutely agree.
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Posted 2008-November-20, 05:18

While I see the logic of those who suggest it as penalty, my main partners would definitely read this as t/o. They wouldn't even think otherwise.

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