[zenko]

Scoring: MP

RHO (dealer) opens 1 ♣, and the bidding by opponets goes 1 ♣ - 1 ♥ - 2 ♣ - 3 ♣ - Pass, so you probably wrongly passed twice before, will you act now?

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[cherdano]

I certainly can't bid a suit now, and why would I want to make a penalty double?

[maggieb]

I would bid 3♠ now, but that is mostly just a statement of how silly I think all my previous passes were.

[Trumpace]

I think bidding on is ridiculous, even at matchpoints. I am fine with the previous passes.

[jdonn]

I think passing on the first round is really awful strategy w/w at mps. 1♠ is clear to me, but if your style is 2♠ or your system lets you show both suits I won't argue too much.

[mikeh]

This situation would arise only if I had fallen asleep on round one, or had something even worse happen to me.

If the latter, then bridge would be the least of my concerns...

If the former, then the odds are that I won't even realize it is a problem until someone nudges me and tells me it's my lead.. and I sleepily lead the spade Q.

[Lobowolf]

jdonn, on Nov 13 2008, 07:18 PM, said:

I think passing on the first round is really awful strategy w/w at mps. 1♠ is clear to me.

I agree (see, I can say it!)

If someone fell over dead at the table and I had to fill in starting in the passout seat, I'd pass it out now.

[jdonn]

Lobowolf, on Nov 13 2008, 08:29 PM, said:

jdonn, on Nov 13 2008, 07:18 PM, said:

I think passing on the first round is really awful strategy w/w at mps. 1♠ is clear to me.

I agree (see, I can say it!)

If someone fell over dead at the table and I had to fill in starting in the passout seat, I'd pass it out now.

Even you can see that the bridge elite have an aggression bias

[rogerclee]

jdonn, on Nov 13 2008, 05:18 PM, said:

I think passing on the first round is really awful strategy w/w at mps. 1♠ is clear to me, but if your style is 2♠ or your system lets you show both suits I won't argue too much.

To add to this, I think the second pass is even more ridiculous than the first.

[655321]

The time to bid on this hand was on the first round. As others have said, bidding (1♠ for me) then was completely obvious.

Perhaps this poll relates to a hesitation. There is no bridge answer to the question 'my first bid misdescribed my hand, what is my proper bid now?'

[pclayton]

I hope you can see why overcalling is the right thing to do here.

If its tempting to come in at the three level, isn't it safer to do it at the one level?

[Lobowolf]

655321, on Nov 13 2008, 09:31 PM, said:

There is no bridge answer to the question 'my first bid misdescribed my hand, what is my proper bid now?'

I'm not sure about that...it's sort of a semi-common phenomenon in various guises, for instance, responding on a hand where someone feels he should have passed the first time, then he wants to pass a forcing bid, or lie about how many aces he has...or deciding to pass when it was a close call whether to preempt, then wanting to make the preemptive call after the opponents have exchanged a round of information...I think a variety of situations are sort of related to each other, and to the OP.

My feeling is that it's usually a mistake to try to "make up" for a past decision you think you've gotten wrong. On a good day, 3♣ will be a normal contract, and you'll get an average board or even a good one, if an overcall would have served to help declarer play the hand.

Bidding 1♠ initially will lead to more good days than bad ones, though.

[Codo]

rogerclee, on Nov 14 2008, 11:19 AM, said:

jdonn, on Nov 13 2008, 05:18 PM, said:

I think passing on the first round is really awful strategy w/w at mps. 1♠ is clear to me, but if your style is 2♠ or your system lets you show both suits I won't argue too much.

To add to this, I think the second pass is even more ridiculous than the first.

I can understand a style where you have to pass in the first round cause you feel that the hand is too weak. I don't agree with this view, but ok.

But after the opps bid Clubs and hearts and you have Diamonds and spades and you have limited your hand in the first round, there is no excusion to pass on the second round too.

So basically 67 words for: I agree with Roger.

[mikeh]

rogerclee, on Nov 13 2008, 09:19 PM, said:

jdonn, on Nov 13 2008, 05:18 PM, said:

I think passing on the first round is really awful strategy w/w at mps. 1♠ is clear to me, but if your style is 2♠ or your system lets you show both suits I won't argue too much.

To add to this, I think the second pass is even more ridiculous than the first.

I disagree.... bidding on the second round, while better than (shudder) bidding on the third round, is far inferior to bidding on the first round.

1. We are a level higher, with no assured fit

2. The opps have enjoyed an unobstructed round of bidding... LHO knows a LOT more about opener's hand than he would have on round 1, had I overcalled.. and he is in a much better position now than he would have been a round earlier. Remember... he is unlimited.. if he wields the axe now, we know we are hooped.