[P_Marlowe]

X.

I am born under a lucky star ...

With kind regards
Marlowe

[awm]

Pass... but then my partners bid four-card spade suits with a very high degree of frequency over my doubles. If you expect partner to bid 3♥ with a weak 4-4 majors hand or to bid 3NT with 4333 and one diamond stop, or to cuebid with 4324 and minimum game values, then doubling may work out better for you than it would for me.

[jdonn]

awm, on Nov 12 2008, 12:56 PM, said:

or to cuebid with 4324 and minimum game values

That he should almost definitely do.

[whereagles]

jdonn, on Nov 11 2008, 07:02 PM, said:

Latest Josh's law: When well-respected members of society feel very strongly but in opposite directions about a bridge issue, the truth lies in the middle.

plize gif statistical evidence

incidently, I pass.

[benlessard]

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Umm, a red vs W 3D preempt is a preempt.

Well lets just say that a 3 level R vs W preempt has more playing strenght than a strong NT and 2 quick trick is possible.

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I hope you think so when you play against me!

And we do play play that 3m is showing a strong preempt and 2Nt is a m preempt in wich 3Nt isnt likely. And so far opponents are not happy !

Even in standard R vs W
pass-----(P)--------3D--------(P)

Axx
Axx
Qxx
JTxx

Not Bidding 3Nt here is crazy.

[jdonn]

benlessard, on Nov 14 2008, 03:34 PM, said:

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Umm, a red vs W 3D preempt is a preempt.

Well lets just say that a 3 level R vs W preempt has more playing strenght than a strong NT and 2 quick trick is possible.

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I hope you think so when you play against me!

And we do play play that 3m is showing a strong preempt and 2Nt is a m preempt in wich 3Nt isnt likely. And so far opponents are not happy !

Even in standard R vs W
pass-----(P)--------3D--------(P)

Axx
Axx
Qxx
JTxx

Not Bidding 3Nt here is crazy.

What in the world is your point? You bid game on that because partner should have a good long suit and you can easily count your tricks, not because he has shown all kinds of defensive strength or an opening hand or whatever you said before.

Nor do I see what your system has to do with what you are assuming your opponents play.

[keylime]

I pass and defend. This smells like a trap hand...

[benlessard]

My point was that i pass and i think that if partner cannot balanced we are unlikely to miss game since i give real values to the 3D preempt. If opener D are solid he may easily have a side Q if opener D arent solids he might have an A.

xx,x,KQJTxxx,Axx is IMO what a 3 level R vs W preempt tend to look like.


Traditionnally is was a 7 or 8 playing tricks with a solid suit but if you use 3Nt gambling then the its more likely to have a side A or K and a 1 loser suit or to have extra lenght.

With my hand i expect to go plus more often after 1D than after 3D by RHO.

Its also a matters of what is your balancing style.

Against weaker players ill be more tempted to double since they underestimate the importance of the vulnerability.

[mikeh]

I pass, but double could easily be right. I haven't seen enough of this particular nightmare type of hand (or my memory refuses to register them) to have any confidence for what is best.

I'm not the least bit worried about the opps... it is partner I am worried about..

The good news, and probably what I would say to myself at the table, as I give in to my cowardly instincts, is that we are white... we only lose 6 imps (or so) when we miss game. Red, I think that it is just too dangerous to pass.

BTW, anyone else thinking that 3♥ has some appeal? Not much, mind you, and I wouldn't bid it, but it is easy to see how that could be a big winner (or loser).

[pclayton]

mikeh, on Nov 14 2008, 01:37 PM, said:

BTW, anyone else thinking that 3♥ has some appeal? Not much, mind you, and I wouldn't bid it, but it is easy to see how that could be a big winner (or loser).

That occurred to me immediately, but I just don't think my spots are good enough

[hotShot]

I double.

What shape can partner have? I hold 3 cards in ♦ opener should have 6-7. So Partner won't have a lot of ♦'s and if ♠ is his longest suit, than he will have 5+ of them most of the time.