[matmat]

i get the feeling there is a lot more concealed racism and prejudice in the US that people want to believe.

kenberg... "older white guy you know since grad school" ?
there's your problem right there... academia does tend to be more liberal, and, even if a particular person has conservative tendencies, like your friend, the sheer fact that he went to grad school implies he is capable of rational and independent thought. you are *NOT* a representative sample of the joe twelve packs from blue collar, nearly purely white, follow the leader communities.

[blackshoe]

matmat, on Oct 23 2008, 12:14 PM, said:

i get the feeling there is a lot more concealed racism and prejudice in the US that people want to believe.

kenberg... "older white guy you know since grad school" ?
there's your problem right there... academia does tend to be more liberal, and, even if a particular person has conservative tendencies, like your friend, the sheer fact that he went to grad school implies he is capable of rational and independent thought. you are *NOT* a representative sample of the joe twelve packs from blue collar, nearly purely white, follow the leader communities.

"grade school" ≠ "grad school"

[matmat]

blackshoe, on Oct 23 2008, 04:01 PM, said:

matmat, on Oct 23 2008, 12:14 PM, said:

i get the feeling there is a lot more concealed racism and prejudice in the US that people want to believe.

kenberg... "older white guy you know since grad school" ?
there's your problem right there... academia does tend to be more liberal, and, even if a particular person has conservative tendencies, like your friend, the sheer fact that he went to grad school implies he is capable of rational and independent thought. you are *NOT* a representative sample of the joe twelve packs from blue collar, nearly purely white, follow the leader communities.

"grade school" ≠ "grad school"

try again.

[y66]

Do Republican leaders have any idea who "real" Americans are?

From a recent column by Frank Rich:

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IT seems like a century ago now, but it was only in 2005 that a National Journal poll of Beltway insiders predicted that George Allen, then a popular Virginia senator, would be the next G.O.P. nominee for president. George who? Allen is now remembered, if at all, as a punch line. But any post-mortem of the Great Republican Collapse of 2008 must circle back to the not-so-funny thing that happened on his way to the White House.

That would be in 2006, when he capsized his own shoo-in re-election race by calling a 20-year-old Indian-American “macaca” before a white audience (and a video camera). “Welcome to America and the real world of Virginia,” Allen told the young Democratic campaign worker for good measure, in a precise preview of the playbook that has led John McCain and Sarah Palin to their tawdry nadir two years later.

It wasn’t just Allen’s lame racial joke or his cluelessness about 21st-century media like YouTube that made him a harbinger of the current G.O.P. fiasco. It was most of all the national vision he set forth: There are Real Americans, and there are the Others.

The Real are the small-town white folks Allen was addressing in southwestern Virginia. The Others — and their subversive fellow travelers, the Elites — are Americans like the young man who Allen maligned: a high-achieving son of immigrant parents who was born and raised in Washington’s Northern Virginia suburbs during its technology boom. (Allen, the self-appointed keeper of real Virginia, grew up in California.)

Cut to 2008. You’d think that this incident would be a cautionary tale, but the McCain campaign instead embraced Allen as a role model, with Palin’s odes to “real” and “pro-America” America leading the charge. The farcical apotheosis of this strategy arrived last weekend, again on camera and again in Virginia, when a McCain adviser, Nancy Pfotenhauer, revived Allen’s original script, literally, during an interview on MSNBC.

After dismissing the Northern Virginia suburbs, she asserted that the “real Virginia” — the part of the state “more Southern in nature” — will prove “very responsive” to the McCain message. All Pfotenhauer left out was “macaca,” but with McCain calling Barack Obama’s tax plan “welfare” and campaign surrogates (including the robo-calling Rudy Giuliani) linking the Democrat to violent, Willie Horton-like criminality, that would have been redundant.

We don’t know yet if McCain will go the way of Allen in a state that hasn’t voted for a Democratic president since 1964, when L.B.J. vanquished another Arizona Republican in a landslide. But we do know that Obama swept like a conquering hero through Richmond, the former capital of the Confederacy, last week and that he leads in every recent Virginia poll.

There are at least two larger national lessons to be learned from what is likely to be the last gasp of Allen-McCain-Palin politics in 2008. The first, and easy one, is that Republican leaders have no idea what “real America” is. In the eight years since the first Bush-Cheney convention pledged inclusiveness and showcased Colin Powell as its opening-night speaker, the G.O.P. has terminally alienated black Americans (Powell himself now included), immigrant Americans (including the Hispanics who once gave Bush-Cheney as much as 44 percent of their votes) and the extended families of gay Americans (Palin has now revived a constitutional crusade against same-sex marriage). Subtract all those players from the actual America, and you don’t have enough of a bench to field a junior varsity volleyball team, let alone a serious campaign for the Electoral College.

But the other, less noticed lesson of the year has to do with the white people the McCain campaign has been pandering to. As we saw first in the Democratic primary results and see now in the widespread revulsion at the McCain-Palin tactics, white Americans are not remotely the bigots the G.O.P. would have us believe. Just because a campaign trades in racism doesn’t mean that the country is racist. It’s past time to come to the unfairly maligned white America’s defense.

The rest of the column.

p.s. If Obama wins Virginia, that will be even sweeter than if the Rays win the series. It will also mean that change is already well underway.

[Al_U_Card]

Obama neither represents change nor does he require it. What he is doing is raising questions and taking more inclusive and incisive approaches to the current problem set facing the States.

With much less national political baggage than most, he is a vector for change. Will his direction be a good one? Will the magnitude of his field of influence be enough? Will he be able to buck the trend and fend off the (economic) barbarians at the gate? Did JFK?

Welcome to those oft-referred to "interesting times".

[y66]

Tapping into the energy, ideas and skills of bright, thoughtful people who really want to do the right thing is a huge change. Obama has a natural instinct for doing this.

Politicians obviously have limited options for putting the brakes on a free falling economy and turning things around, even if they're working night and day with guys like Volcker, Summers, Rubin, Reich and Buffett. But they can do some things to restore confidence. Just knowing that Obama and Volcker have been talking seriously about the economy since they were introduced to each other in June 2007 , that they have a very good relationship and that Volcker is a serious candidate for Treasurer goes a long way in this direction for me. Scarry how far we are from turning this around though.