[han]

cherdano, on Aug 8 2008, 12:27 PM, said:

jdonn, on Aug 8 2008, 10:36 AM, said:

cherdano, on Aug 8 2008, 11:33 AM, said:

mikeh, on Aug 8 2008, 10:30 AM, said:

han, on Aug 8 2008, 10:11 AM, said:

As usual I disagree with jdonn and also bid 4H instead of 3H.

As usual, I bid one less than Han, so I bid 3♥ (I would need slightly better majors to bid 4♥... take my minor Queen and exchange it for a low heart, and I like 4♥).

Hehe then I don't like it at all, to me a jump to 4♥ denies first or second round controls in the minors.

I think he meant AQxxx AQxx xx xx, not AQxxx AQxxx x xx.

I am not sure what Mike meant, but what he wrote means AQxxx Axxxx x xx.

You are giving mathematicians a bad name Arend.

[han]

jdonn, on Aug 8 2008, 12:28 PM, said:

Echognome, on Aug 8 2008, 11:46 AM, said:

The real hand was:

♠AQxxx
♥Axx
♦xx
♣QJx

Just wondered how you distinguished.

Seems like most understood the issue between 3♥ and 4♥ by opener and also if the start was to bid 3♥, whether or not to show the Q.  If responder has say Kxxxx of trumps (and the nuts otherwise) I guess it won't work out.  But you gotta draw a line somewhere.

If responder has Kxxxx of hearts he pretty much can't launch into keycard over 3♥. If he has that and the NUTS otherwise (Kx Kxxxx AKQ AKx?) and decides he must bid keycard then he will put it in notrump at the end anyway if we are off the queen.

Well, if these are the two hands:

Kx
Kxxxx
AKQ
AKx

AQxxx
Axxx
xx
Qx

Would you have the the auction

1S 2H
3H 4NT
5S 7NT?

Hmm, I guess 7NT is far from the worst slam I've been in this week.

[jdonn]

Well what I was saying was responder would go to notrump if off the trump queen instead of counting it as a loser. But maybe that hand just shows after all responder should not be bidding keycard with Kxxxx on any hand.

[kenrexford]

jdonn, on Aug 8 2008, 10:46 AM, said:

han, on Aug 8 2008, 10:11 AM, said:

As usual I disagree with jdonn and also bid 4H instead of 3H.

From now on I'll just post twice, make the second one opposite, and sign it han

FWIW I define 4♥ as two honors in each suit, perhaps foolishly but there you have it. Would people still bid it with Axxxx Axxx Qx Qx? AKQJx xxxx Qx xx?

Same for me, except I actually want three of the top four in the first suit (spades). Not crazy. This time, it works well to be fluid. When Responder has Qx of spades, and the heart Queen, and then the rest of his hand, without any shape at all, then I (we) win.