[kgr]

Scoring: MP

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Opps always pass:
1♣-1♠!
?
- -
1♣=shows 2+ (open 5=5=4=2)
1♠= transfer 1NT or ♦ (Can bid 1♠ without soft valus in majors)

[benlessard]

2H WTP.

Give partner the K of H and you want to be in game. So you have to GF with this.

[SoTired]

Open 2C and rebid 3N to show a strong gambling 3N type hand. If playing Kokish, I will can bid this more accurately.

After opening 1C, now rebid 3N. May be too strong, tho.

[kgr]

kgr, on Jul 30 2008, 01:42 AM, said:

Dealer: South Vul: ???? Scoring: MP

♠ A ♥ AQx ♦ Tx ♣ AKJxxxx

Opps always pass:
1♣-1♠!
?
- -
1♣=shows 2+ (open 5=5=4=2)
1♠= transfer 1NT or ♦ (Can bid 1♠ without soft valus in majors)

I did rebid 3♣. Clearly not best.
If you rebid 2♥ then bidding continues:
1♣-1♠!
2♥-3♦
??
- -
1♣=shows 2+ (open 5=5=4=2)
1♠= transfer 1NT or ♦ (Can bid 1♠ without soft valus in majors)
3♦=real diamonds and not minimal (you play lebensohl).
What now?

[ASkolnick]

3N. I have extras, but no fit. If partner can eventually support clubs. I will move on. When he bids 3D, he rates to have at best 2C, but more likely 1C so where am I going.

[ArtK78]

Opening 2♣ on this hand is truly terrible, IMO. A 2♣ opening based on a long minor suit should be VERY strong, given how difficult 2♣ auctions can be.

This is another example of a victory for playing a jump rebid in a minor suit as natural and forcing. A forcing 3♣ rebid fits this hand perfectly.

[kgr]

Scoring: MP

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1C-1S!
3C-3D
3H-3S
3NT
- -
1S: transfer D or NT
3S: 4SF/asking stop for NT
3H/3NT: 3H shows stop, followed by 3NT it shows H and S stop and extra's.
We missed 7D. How should we have reached it (or at least 6D)?
Thanks,
Koen

[jdonn]

Maybe something like this

1♣ 1♠
2♥ 3♦ (gf)
4♣ 4♦
4♠ 4NT
etc

[pclayton]

Playing normal 2/1, anyone that bids 1♠ instead of 1♦ with the North hand needs to loosen their grip on the Book of Walsh.

So systemically you start with 1♠. Fine. It amazes me how many suddenly don't mind a reverse with a 3 card major, when that concept is frequently dissed around here.

Is there really any other bid besides 2♥ over 1♠?

If pard does reverse, I kind of like 4♦ instead of 3♦. This sends an effective message about trump suit quality.

[cherdano]

pclayton, on Jul 31 2008, 12:07 PM, said:

Playing normal 2/1, anyone that bids 1♠ instead of 1♦ with the North hand needs to loosen their grip on the Book of Walsh.

Anyone who criticizes the 1♠ bid in kgr's post should practice their reading skills

[cherdano]

I agree with Josh's auction. The reverse to 2♥ seems automatic, and bidding 3N over 3♦ seems very bad with a fit and a singleton ace as stopper in the unbid suit.

[pclayton]

cherdano, on Jul 31 2008, 10:09 AM, said:

pclayton, on Jul 31 2008, 12:07 PM, said:

Playing normal 2/1, anyone that bids 1♠ instead of 1♦ with the North hand needs to loosen their grip on the Book of Walsh.

Anyone who criticizes the 1♠ bid in kgr's post should practice their reading skills

Corrected as you wrote this Arend

But I'm willing to bet there's many that would still bid 1♠...

[cherdano]

pclayton, on Jul 31 2008, 12:15 PM, said:

But I'm willing to bet there's many that would still bid 1♠...

How much? How do we poll?

[pclayton]

cherdano, on Jul 31 2008, 10:17 AM, said:

pclayton, on Jul 31 2008, 12:15 PM, said:

But I'm willing to bet there's many that would still bid 1♠...

How much? How do we poll?

Not around here. I wouldn't take that bet - our posters are too wily. Maybe you'd get 10%.

I think you'd have to find a hand like this on BrBr and look at the responses to 1♣.

[mikeh]

I think that 3N over 1♠ is a real alternative to the wtp 2♥.

Now, 2♥ will not buy a raise, since partner has, I assume, denied any 4 card major, so we may be able to explore a minor suit slam... we'd be thinking a club slam, but partner is allowed to have other ideas. So 2♥ is probably safe.

The beauty of 3N is that it is more descriptive than 2♥.. swap the club J for the Queen and it is surely a wtp rebid... partner's 1♠ will almost always be based on diamond length if not strength... especially when we hold 7 clubs.

Whereas 2♥ is an intentional distortion of the hand re shape, which seems to me to be (usually) a worse choice than describing AKJxxxx as AKQxxxx.

If we bid 3N, N has a pretty good idea that he can make a LOT of tricks if he doesn't have 2 quick losers. However, that may lead him to bid a large number of notrump and we will need considerable luck to survive that adventure.

So 2♥ will work better than 3N, but I think 3N is the practical bid (I suspect that the initial vote for 2♥ was based on the mistaken idea that 1♠ was natural.. in which case 3N is seriously flawed.. but 2♥ is as well, since responder could be 5=4 in the majors and won't allow us out of hearts.. may in fact bid to 4♥ (or higher) immediately over the reverse).

This is a good hand for forcing club methods.

[han]

pclayton, on Jul 31 2008, 01:26 PM, said:

cherdano, on Jul 31 2008, 10:17 AM, said:

pclayton, on Jul 31 2008, 12:15 PM, said:

But I'm willing to bet there's many that would still bid 1♠...

How much? How do we poll?

Not around here. I wouldn't take that bet - our posters are too wily. Maybe you'd get 10%.

I think you'd have to find a hand like this on BrBr and look at the responses to 1♣.

Phil stop talking BS, it's a 3-card spade suit.

[pclayton]

I'm on drugs. I swear I saw a 4-6.

[jdonn]

I'm shocked Mike, I thought you were the most stringent of any of us with this 3NT rebid. Not a solid suit AND no diamond stopper?

Phil I don't like 4♦ instead of 3♦ since you could just so easily belong in 3NT. Another possibility is 5♦ instead of 4♦ in my given auction, but that puts a lot of pressure on opener and it's not clear how he should continue investigating.

[cherdano]

jdonn, on Jul 31 2008, 01:26 PM, said:

I'm shocked Mike, I thought you were the most stringent of any of us with this 3NT rebid. Not a solid suit AND no diamond stopper?

Partner has shown diamonds...
Nevertheless, the hand doesn't look no-trumpy to me, and I don't think 3N is very descriptive, e.g. the hand is way to suitable for 6m.

[jdonn]

cherdano, on Jul 31 2008, 02:28 PM, said:

jdonn, on Jul 31 2008, 01:26 PM, said:

I'm shocked Mike, I thought you were the most stringent of any of us with this 3NT rebid. Not a solid suit AND no diamond stopper?

Partner has shown diamonds...
Nevertheless, the hand doesn't look no-trumpy to me, and I don't think 3N is very descriptive, e.g. the hand is way to suitable for 6m.

I thought 1♠ showed either balanced with no four card major, or diamonds. Granted the first hand type will have diamonds stopped a lot more often than not.