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strong hand, partner hits your 2nd suit not sure on best next bid

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Posted 2008-July-29, 15:19

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Playing 2/1 you open 1♦ and partner responds 1♥. What's your call?
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Posted 2008-July-29, 15:23

I would bid 4♥ on this hand.

If you move the ♣A to diamonds so that the hand is

AQ9
AQTx
AQT9x
x

I would bid 4♣.
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Posted 2008-August-08, 15:59

I'd bid 4♣. My first choice would be not to have an ace in my splinter suit, but you rarely get the perfect hand. Partner will upgrade honors in the other suits, and that will be a good thing. It's imperfect, but IMO it's less imperfect than a 4♥ bid, which would suggest no shortness.
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Posted 2008-August-08, 16:31

ArtK78, on Jul 29 2008, 04:23 PM, said:

I would bid 4♥ on this hand.

If you move the ♣A to diamonds so that the hand is

AQ9
AQTx
AQT9x
x

I would bid 4♣.

Hope Arend won't read this, he'll think that you get AQx AQ10x AQ109xx - if you move the ace to diamonds.

Sometimes I splinter with a stiff ace but here I agree with Art.
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Posted 2008-August-08, 16:47

4♣, its criminal not to suggest slam at this level.
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Posted 2008-August-08, 17:04

jillybean2, on Aug 8 2008, 03:47 PM, said:

4♣, its criminal not to suggest slam at this level.

4♥ suggests slam! It shows a VERY GOOD HAND.

Anyway I think I would bid 4♣.
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Posted 2008-August-08, 17:07

jillybean2, on Aug 8 2008, 02:47 PM, said:

4♣, its criminal not to suggest slam at this level.

Another way to think about this.

Suppose you held:
♠AQ9
♥AQTx
♦QT9x
♣Ax

Wouldn't you bid 4♥ with this hand?

Suppose instead you held:
♠AQ9
♥AQTx
♦AQT9x
♣x

Wouldn't you bid 4♣ with this hand?

So given the actual hand, which is the closer representation of what you actually hold?
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Posted 2008-August-08, 17:11

han, on Aug 8 2008, 05:31 PM, said:

Sometimes I splinter with a stiff ace but here I agree with Art.

Ditto.
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Posted 2008-August-08, 17:14

Echognome, on Aug 8 2008, 06:07 PM, said:

Suppose you held:
♠AQ9
♥AQTx
♦QT9x
♣Ax

Wouldn't you bid 4♥ with this hand?

No I wouldn't!
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Posted 2008-August-08, 17:16

han, on Aug 8 2008, 03:14 PM, said:

Echognome, on Aug 8 2008, 06:07 PM, said:

Suppose you held:
♠AQ9
♥AQTx
♦QT9x
♣Ax

Wouldn't you bid 4♥ with this hand?

No I wouldn't!

I was trying to be illustrative. Shh. I actually would upgrade that hand to 4♥ myself. But to each their own.
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Posted 2008-August-08, 17:26

Echognome, on Aug 8 2008, 06:07 PM, said:

jillybean2, on Aug 8 2008, 02:47 PM, said:

4♣, its criminal not to suggest slam at this level.

Another way to think about this.

Suppose you held:
♠AQ9
♥AQTx
♦QT9x
♣Ax

Wouldn't you bid 4♥ with this hand?

Suppose instead you held:
♠AQ9
♥AQTx
♦AQT9x
♣x

Wouldn't you bid 4♣ with this hand?

So given the actual hand, which is the closer representation of what you actually hold?

But you'd also bid 4♥ (presumably) with:

♠AQ
♥AQTx
♦QT9x
♣Axx


Is the given hand closer to that, or closer to the hand with the small stiff club?
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Posted 2008-August-08, 17:31

Lobowolf, on Aug 8 2008, 03:26 PM, said:

Is the given hand closer to that, or closer to the hand with the small stiff club?

In my opinion the former. It just goes back to the debate of splintering with a stiff A. Partner's valuation with say KQxx or Kxx of clubs changes considerably. I'm not saying it's never right to splinter with a stiff A, it just makes a difference in partner's valuation.
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