[sceptic]

Scoring: IMP

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West North East South

 1♥    Dbl   Pass  1♠
 3♣    3♠    4♣    Pass
 Pass  Pass  

[TylerE]

West and South are fine. North and East are insane.

[kenrexford]

Thoughts?

1♥: A fairly good option. Unimpeachable.

X: Wow. I mean, I like ELC doubles and all, but this is a tad light. Right on the edge, though. I can live with it.

P: Not my game. I would have hoped for a Suit/Lead option, in which case I'd bid 2♣, intending this time to just show diamonds.

1♠: Clear call, even if using Herbert Negatives here. Had Responder used Suit/Lead and bid 2♣, the spade fit would remain a secret to North gfor a minute longer at least.

3♣: Makes sense, contextually. Four loser hands with a likely cover from partner if he has a 0 count should be bid, IMO. Same call after Suit/Lead and a pass from Advancer. BTW -- had Responder bid 2♣, and had Advancer bid 2♠ (crazy but happens), then I like Suit/Lead Support Doubles, where Opener could double with three-card support for the hypothetical diamond suit (not a guaranteed diamond suit), so long as he has extras to justify that level if Responder was more on the LEAD side of things. Not that this matters here, except in the negative inference.

3♠: Sure, bid this junk hand one more time. (Sarcasm.) I mean, I like raising with true spade support, when the spade bid is true, at the two-level, but this is a bit extreme for my tastes.

4♣: Grow some. This is a huge hand. 5♣ without any hesitation.

P: South has no cause to bid.

P: I know partner should bid 5♣ with good cause, but I cannot help myself. 5♣ for me.

P: Tee hee.

Summary:

West needs to bid more. Barely.
East has no excuse for not bidding more.
North is funny. In a good way, maybe.
South is sitting back oblivious to North's humor.

[helene_t]

dbl: Not my choice but not necessarily bad. I can live with this shape even if not playing ELC.

Pass: If 2♦ would be forcing I suppose it is ok but I really would like to bid something with this hand.

3♣: ok.

3♠: hey what're you smoking?

4♣: Needs to smoke something. Even 5♣ would be an underbid IMO.

West's final pass: fine.

[ArcLight]

I dont really like the X, but can live with it.

2♦ over a takeout double is not forcing. It shows ?5-9? Which is what East has.
Easts dime suit is crummy. Bid 2♦.


3 Spades is a bad bid. It shows significant extras, where are they?

I think 4 Clubs is ok. West is showing extras and shape. The hearts can be set up, or ruffed. Maybe 5 Clubs is better. (trying not to be a results merchant based on the cards shown)

West will pass 4C becaus eof teh poor trump quality

[effervesce]

TylerE, on Jul 20 2008, 12:43 PM, said:

West and South are fine. North and East are insane.

My thoughts exactly.

[Edmunte1]

TylerE, on Jul 20 2008, 12:43 PM, said:

West and South are fine. North and East are insane.

, North and East are from a different movie

[brianshark]

1H is ok.
Dbl, playing standard t/o doubles, is not acceptable or tolerable. It is just incorrect. (If playing equal level conversions - I can't really comment as I don't know that convention too well).
Pass is ok (assuming 2♦ would be 10+ forcing and not non-forcing).
1♠ is ok.
3♣ I dislike. I think it's a bit much. Prefer 2♣. Put the spade honours in the ♣ suit and it's better. 2♣ shows a decent hand. If there is game on, pard will find a bid. You can show your extras later if pard finds a bid to show support.
3♠ is also incorrect. North should read up on take-out doubles. He/she strongly implied a 4-card ♠ suit with the t/o double. To bid again should show around 18 pts or a 4/5 loser hand, or a hand that can expect 8-9 tricks in spades opposite nothing but 4 card support.
4♣ is an underbid. 3♣ shows a hand that is a trick or two short of game on his own. This person is holding a hand which, in the context of his/her original pass, is maximum and will contribute at least the 2/3 tricks required for game. I don't think this hand should encourage slam with shortage in pard's suit and no controls in the other suits, bug I could be convinced otherwise.
(West's) Pass is ok.

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

#1 1H, fine
#2 X, ...
#3 Pass, well better than the t/o certainly,
if you are a B/I, pass is reasnable, since I
wont expect, that a B/I knows a 2D bid is
non forcing
#4 1S, fine
#5 3C, I would say 2C is enough
#6 3S, ... same quality as the t/o
#7 4C, ok ... but 5C is clearly better
#8 Pass, fine
#9 Pass / Pass, at least they dont bid their hand
a 3rd time

With kind regards
Marlowe

[mcphee]

1H perfect.
Dble lets say this was creative but ridiculous
Pass I do not mind at all
1S , represents a fine understanding of the hand
3C, I regularly overbid and this is a fair massive overstatement of what I hold, I hope my judgement is not too impaired after these 9 beers.
3S, apparently these guys are at the same pub!
4C, It is possible to appreciate this huge underbid should this person have played with the 3C bidder before. To me it makes sense to play 4NT now as a big raise of C (as KC does not seem possible) and 5C my second choice.

Worst bid? 3C jumping jelly bean or 3S fall down drunk will no doubt create debate

[benlessard]

Quote

1H is ok.
Dbl, playing standard t/o doubles, is not acceptable or tolerable. It is just incorrect. (If playing equal level conversions - I can't really comment as I don't know that convention too well).
Pass is ok (assuming 2♦ would be 10+ forcing and not non-forcing).
1♠ is ok.
3♣ I dislike. I think it's a bit much. Prefer 2♣. Put the spade honours in the ♣ suit and it's better. 2♣ shows a decent hand. If there is game on, pard will find a bid. You can show your extras later if pard finds a bid to show support.
3♠ is also incorrect. North should read up on take-out doubles. He/she strongly implied a 4-card ♠ suit with the t/o double. To bid again should show around 18 pts or a 4/5 loser hand, or a hand that can expect 8-9 tricks in spades opposite nothing but 4 card support.
4♣ is an underbid. 3♣ shows a hand that is a trick or two short of game on his own. This person is holding a hand which, in the context of his/her original pass, is maximum and will contribute at least the 2/3 tricks required for game. I don't think this hand should encourage slam with shortage in pard's suit and no controls in the other suits, bug I could be convinced otherwise.
(West's) Pass is ok.

Agree 100% I add that...
even playing ELC its not a double.
2D by east shouldnt be forcing so pass is dubious.

[Apollo81]

1. The North hand made a light, but not completely insane double.

2. Why didn't East bid over the double? Maybe he cannot NFingly bid diamonds playing whatever methods he's playing.

3. 3♣ looks like quite a s t r e t c h to me.

4. North certainly has no extras in any context after his initial double, so should pass whenever possible.

5. Given that I don't think West has a good enough hand for 3♣, East's hand is huge at his second turn. I think making 7 is as likely as making 5 or less.

[skjaeran]

The most astonishing bid to me is east's 4♣. I'd much rather try 6♣, if I had to chose between those two bids.

[matmat]

I agree with Roger.