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What is the standard meaning of 3nt in 2/1? Is there one?
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What is standard?
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Posted 2008-July-29, 14:28
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Posted 2008-July-30, 02:50
A gambling 3NT with an opening hand.
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Posted 2008-July-30, 03:32
No, certainly not.
The simple reason: There is no standard meaning of 2C,
is it GF, forcing to the 4 level only, or could responder sign
of in 3C.
Additionnaly there is no standard meaning of openers 2NT
rebid either.
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The simple reason: There is no standard meaning of 2C,
is it GF, forcing to the 4 level only, or could responder sign
of in 3C.
Additionnaly there is no standard meaning of openers 2NT
rebid either.
With kind regards
Marlowe
With kind regards
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Posted 2008-July-30, 05:36
I don't think there's a standard meaning for it in 2/1, it's up to what you agree with partner. Though if I had to assume a meaning with a pick-up (presuming 2C is GF) I'd say 2NT rebid is weak NT and 3NT is 18-19 with something like 4-4-3-2.
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Posted 2008-July-30, 09:40
mike777, on Jul 29 2008, 03:28 PM, said:
1d=2c
3nt?
What is the standard meaning of 3nt in 2/1? Is there one?
3nt?
What is the standard meaning of 3nt in 2/1? Is there one?
2N rebid is either 12/14 or 18/19, and the 3N rebid is 15-17 unbalanced, most likely with a stiff club (15-17 balanced would have opened 1N).
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Posted 2008-July-30, 14:48
bid_em_up, on Jul 30 2008, 10:40 AM, said:
mike777, on Jul 29 2008, 03:28 PM, said:
1d=2c
3nt?
What is the standard meaning of 3nt in 2/1? Is there one?
3nt?
What is the standard meaning of 3nt in 2/1? Is there one?
2N rebid is either 12/14 or 18/19, and the 3N rebid is 15-17 unbalanced, most likely with a stiff club (15-17 balanced would have opened 1N).
ty for responses but it seems many play 3nt here as alot of different things here as standard.
Why not rebid your second suit with a stiff club and 15-17 hcp?
I do not think a "standard 2/1" 2C denies a 4 card major so I wonder why so many would jump rebid 3nt with one?
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Posted 2008-July-30, 14:52
4=4=4=1 with 15-17 hcp.
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Posted 2008-July-30, 23:53
I don't know what standard is, but I THOUGHT standard in 2/1 was that 2NT is EITHER minimum OR 18+ (in which case opener bids again over raise to 3NT) and 3NT is 15-17 with a hand unsuited for 1NT opening.
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Posted 2008-July-31, 10:12
peachy, on Jul 31 2008, 12:53 AM, said:
I don't know what standard is, but I THOUGHT standard in 2/1 was that 2NT is EITHER minimum OR 18+ (in which case opener bids again over raise to 3NT) and 3NT is 15-17 with a hand unsuited for 1NT opening.
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Posted 2008-July-31, 11:07
cherdano, on Jul 30 2008, 03:52 PM, said:
4=4=4=1 with 15-17 hcp.
Agreed, although many don't play it this way from my unfortunate experiences with pickups.
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Posted 2008-July-31, 11:14
neilkaz, on Jul 31 2008, 11:07 AM, said:
cherdano, on Jul 30 2008, 03:52 PM, said:
4=4=4=1 with 15-17 hcp.
Agreed, although many don't play it this way from my unfortunate experiences with pickups.
Lol, I was actually joking.
Given that in "standard 2/1", it is already unclear whether 2♣ is forcing to game, it seems rather futile to try to answer the question of the original thread.
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Posted 2008-August-01, 08:27
In Washington Standard (Steve Robinson), 1D 2C : 3N shows a 15-17 HCP hand that could not open 1N.
In Modern American Bidding (Eric Kokish and Beverly Kraft), 1D 2C : 3N shows precisely 4=4=3=2 shape, 18-19 HCP [then 4♣, 4NT, 5NT natural, 4♦ and 4♥ transfers, 4♠ ace-asking].
In Modern American Bidding (Eric Kokish and Beverly Kraft), 1D 2C : 3N shows precisely 4=4=3=2 shape, 18-19 HCP [then 4♣, 4NT, 5NT natural, 4♦ and 4♥ transfers, 4♠ ace-asking].
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