[Adam1105]

Scoring: IMP

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I'm North.

Bidding:
So. W. No. E.
1D 2C 2H 3C
3S 4C 4H 5C
6D -- P -- P -- P

My big questions are:

1. When South goes from 1D to 3S (no jump), should North know that South has 5 Spades in hand?

2. Would this point, 4 spades in hand or 5 spades in hand, be something that partners agree on?

3. In SAYC, would 1D then 3S by south always be 4 spades in hand?

Thank you for your help.

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[mikeh]

Sorry to dump on you, but I really don't think you are playing SAYC or any standard method...... 2♥ is a basic error unless you are playing non-forcing free bids.. which are definitely NOT part of SAYC. I appreciate you want to bid with this hand, but bidding is a dialogue, not a speech or monologue, and it is essential that the words you choose (the bids you make) are not lies to partner... at least, not lies in a constructive auction, such as the one you embarked on by bidding 2 forcing 1 round hearts.

Your correct call was pass.. hoping, if the hand belongs to your side, to bid hearts later, in a manner that shows long hearts and insufficient values to have bid over 2♣.

I don't think that 3♠ promised 5 cards, but the call is based on either a good hand with 5=6 or better (diamonds always longer than spades) or 4 spades, longer diamonds and a very strong hand. 3♠ is absolutely forcing to game.

You had a problem over 4♣: a problem of your own devising, because of the earlier huge over/mis-bid of 2♥. My advice: pass. You are in a forcing auction. Pass. See what partner does. If he doubles or bids 4♦, bid 4♥. There will be times when he reopens with 4♥... 4=2=6=1 for example.

You bid as if you held Jx AQJ10xxx xx xx. Note that this is a hand on which you want to be in 6 or 7♥.

Partner's 6♦ was a big mistake... look at the hand I just suggested for your bidding and you can see that 6♦ is flat out a bad contract compared to hearts.

I doubt that your partnership had 5N available, by S, as 'pick a slam'. If it were available, that would be the bid I would choose... note that I would be fooled by your 2♥ bid just as your partner was. If I didn't have 5N available, I'm not sure what I'd bid... 5♦ seems cowardly, 5♥ is really neither fish nor fowl, 5♠ is probably middle of the road and 6♥ is maybe the best call.. I think 6♣ would deliver AKQxx Kx AQxxxx void.

[jtfanclub]

mikeh, on Jul 11 2008, 10:48 AM, said:

Partner's 6♦ was a big mistake... look at the hand I just suggested for your bidding and you can see that 6♦ is flat out a bad contract compared to hearts.

I'm not sure about this. If 4♥ absolutely determines the suit, doesn't 6♦ mean "bid 7 if you have anything in diamonds"? He needs some way of saying "I have absolute control of spades and clubs", and with the compression of the auction, I don't know how else he does that.

If 6♦ is to play, I agree it's a bad bid.

[andy_h]

Agree with everything what mikeh said. Bidding 2H there is like playing 500, saying you're bidding to make that contract, rather than bidding with partner telling what you have. Well, tbh I don't even know if there are bidding system/conventions in 500!

[effervesce]

andy_h, on Jul 11 2008, 02:30 PM, said:

Agree with everything what mikeh said. Bidding 2H there is like playing 500, saying you're bidding to make that contract, rather than bidding with partner telling what you have. Well, tbh I don't even know if there are bidding system/conventions in 500!

There are conventions in 500 - 6 bids are cues, 6NT either shows the joker or a hand that wants to play in misere.

[precpj]

it is so many europeans play negative free bids without alerting. I have "ALERT NFB"in profile. maybe those play 1H 2C 2D ( not forcing) do not know they are playing a convention Negative Free Bid and is ALERTABLE and without that alert the other 3 people at table can add up total HCP for a hand well beyond 40 HCP