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#1 User is offline   ArtK78 

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Posted 2008-June-22, 15:58

Playing matchpoints last night at a local regional, I picked up the following hand (equal nonvul):

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My RHO opened 2NT, and I decided not to do anything rash, so I passed. What I did not know was that I was going to get a second chance to bid my diamonds at the 3 level. Furthermore, the auction that unfolded was, in my experience, unique, and my partner, David Treadwell, who has been playing this game since it was invented (literally) said that he never saw anything like it:

(2NT) - P - (3♣) - x
(P)* - 3♦ - (5♠) - P
5NT - All Pass

* Long Thought before passing

Yes, my LHO bid Stayman followed by 5♠ (what in the world is that?) and my RHO bid 5NT which ended the auction.

Here is the full hand:

Scoring: MP

(2NT)- P - (3♣) - x
(P) - 3♦ - (5♠) - P
(5NT) - All Pass


The result was very good for us, as 6NT and 7♠ are cold, but that is not the point. The auction is truly a thing of beauty.
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Posted 2008-June-22, 16:04

ArtK78, on Jun 23 2008, 12:58 AM, said:

Playing matchpoints last night at a local regional, I picked up the following hand (equal nonvul):

64
653
KQT865
93

My RHO opened 2NT, and I decided not to do anything rash, so I passed. What I did not know was that I was going to get a second chance to bid my diamonds at the 3 level. Furthermore, the auction that unfolded was, in my experience, unique, and my partner, David Treadwell, who has been playing this game since it was invented (literally) said that he never saw anything like it:

(2NT) - P - (3♣) - x
(P)* - 3♦ - (5♠) - P
5NT - All Pass

* Long Thought before passing

Yes, my LHO bid Stayman followed by 5♠ (what in the world is that?) and my RHO bid 5NT which ended the auction.

Here is the full hand:

Scoring: MP

(2NT)- P - (3♣) - x
(P)- 3♦ - (5♠) - P
(5NT) - All Pass


The result was very good for us, as 6NT and 7♠ are cold, but that is not the point. The auction is truly a thing of beauty.

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Posted 2008-June-22, 19:18

Uh! With all due respects to your esteemed partner, the X of 3C is a beginner's bid.
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Posted 2008-June-22, 20:32

Two friends and regular partners of mine were playing together when another humorous 2NT interference auction occurred.

After a 2NT opening (strong, unbalanced), Player A overcalled 3♣, which was alerted. Player B explained this as Cappelletti!!! That's one I have never seen before.

So, Player B, after the amused pass, dutifully bid 3♦, passed to Player A.

Player A happened to have some hand like 5107. Faced with ethical problem, he decided to bid out his pattern as best he could, letting the chips fall where they would. 3♠ it is.

Player B liked his spade support and bumped up the preempt to 4♠, which made.
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Posted 2008-June-22, 22:24

The_Hog, on Jun 22 2008, 06:18 PM, said:

Uh! With all due respects to your esteemed partner, the X of 3C is a beginner's bid.

Why? It is matchpoints; I do not want partner to make an aggressive lead in spades and not really in diamonds either, and if he is going to make a passive lead, I definitely want it to be clubs.
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Posted 2008-June-22, 22:43

rogerclee, on Jun 23 2008, 11:24 AM, said:

The_Hog, on Jun 22 2008, 06:18 PM, said:

Uh! With all due respects to your esteemed partner, the X of 3C is a beginner's bid.

Why? It is matchpoints; I do not want partner to make an aggressive lead in spades and not really in diamonds either, and if he is going to make a passive lead, I definitely want it to be clubs.

Because Roger, a good West will xx and that is where you play it. These doubles are fatuous to say the least. Reminds me of a relay auction in the SWPT some years ago. One opp x a 2S relay bid and we played it xx making 5. No slam was one. Good result?
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Posted 2008-June-22, 23:02

I think south's double of 3♣ was fine, it prevents partner from potentially making what is sure to be a bad lead in spade. In fact south is the only player whose bidding I agree with.
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Posted 2008-June-22, 23:32

I don't mind the X of 3C at all. It's matchpoints and if partner doesn't have a great lead himself we just helped him immensely.
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Posted 2008-June-23, 00:15

Suit yourselves guys but against me you are playing 3Cxx
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Posted 2008-June-23, 00:17

How many imps are you losing to the 1010 at the other table, 7? And that is giving you the benefit of the doubt of 3♣xx making, which is far from obvious. Why would east ever pass anyway?
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Posted 2008-June-23, 04:50

I think the double of 3C is fine. LHO does not always have 5 clubs and if he redoubles, RHO might not always sit for it (as here).
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Posted 2008-June-23, 05:03

I don't like the 3♦ bid. P showed clubs and you even have tolerance for that suit. 3♦ could be a disaster, trust p that 3♣X will not.

I don't like Stayman either. E has the perfect hand for a Texas transfer followed by RKC. If that tool is not available, just ask for aces and bid 6♠.

No sure what 5NT is supposed to mean but maybe W's intentions were good.

I don't like E's final pass. 5NT is probably either a confused bid or a grand slam try so just bid 6♠.
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Posted 2008-June-23, 06:20

You are all far too serious. I posted this hand for its humerous aspects. 5NT is a rare enough contract as it is. To get there in this manner is truly amusing.
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Posted 2008-June-23, 06:26

double is just fine and the comment about it is annoying
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Posted 2008-June-23, 09:01

The_Hog, on Jun 23 2008, 01:15 AM, said:

Suit yourselves guys but against me you are playing 3Cxx

Let's assume that North passes 3♣xx (which is far from clear). Do you really thing that East is passing 3♣xx? It would never happen.
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Posted 2008-June-23, 18:33

Add me to the list of beginners who like the double of 3♣.
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Posted 2008-June-26, 02:26

ArtK78, on Jun 23 2008, 10:01 PM, said:

The_Hog, on Jun 23 2008, 01:15 AM, said:

Suit yourselves guys but against me you are playing 3Cxx

Let's assume that North passes 3♣xx (which is far from clear). Do you really thing that East is passing 3♣xx? It would never happen.

Wouldn't it Art? So you are agreeing that the double was fatuous.
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The_Hog, on Jun 26 2008, 03:26 AM, said:

ArtK78, on Jun 23 2008, 10:01 PM, said:

The_Hog, on Jun 23 2008, 01:15 AM, said:

Suit yourselves guys but against me you are playing 3Cxx

Let's assume that North passes 3♣xx (which is far from clear). Do you really thing that East is passing 3♣xx? It would never happen.

Wouldn't it Art? So you are agreeing that the double was fatuous.

Why are you so sure 3C XX will make?

Hint: It can go down with best defense, not that I think you analyzed the play in 3C XX very thoroughly, it is a fun double dummy excersize.

So, I welcome you to declare 3C XX down 1. I will play 6S making 7. Do you know how many imps you lose for that? Perhaps the defense will not find the best lead though, and you will make 3C XX for only a medium sized loss.

Unfortunately for the Xers, few people are bad enough at bridge to pass 3C XX with a stiff trump and a good 7 card suit, otherwise it would be a truly great double.

It is remarkable that you are so smug about calling people beginners when:

1) You cannot analyze a double dummy problem well enough to figure out that 3C XX can go down.

2) You cannot realize that 3C XX even if it did make does not compensate for a slam.

3) You cannot see why you should not pass the XX with SEVEN GOOD SPADES and a stiff club.

At least others would have a basis for calling you a beginner, but I'm sure nobody would be so cruel.
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Posted 2008-June-26, 13:31

Yeah, but you would only double 3♣ is you want partner to lead the King from Kx.

Oh. :rolleyes:
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