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Par Contest Double Slam Swing

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  Posted 2008-April-08, 10:20

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What's the par auction here?

Guesses on the final contract at the table?
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Posted 2008-April-08, 10:28

Probably a normal start is something like:

1 - 4 - 5 - 5
6 - Pass - Pass

At this point it is very tempting for west to double. Of course, his correct (double dummy) action is to bid 6, but looking at his hand it is hard to believe that 6 is making and also seems fairly unlikely that 6 makes.

If west does bid 6, then north or south needs to take a sacrifice in 7. But this is also tough, north (with two aces) is hardly going to sacrifice over a slam and in fact will probably double. South might consider sacrificing if north doesn't double, but that also is a very dubious action.

The play in 6 on a club lead is also mildly interesting, as in order to make south must duck the trick. This is definitely the right (single-dummy) play, but one a lot of players would miss at the table.
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Posted 2008-April-08, 10:36

Adam didn't see that West was dealer I guess.

1-p-1-4 is a normal start. After that I could see it going a number of ways. -4-7-7 is possible. I sorta like the 7 bid in tempo because you might make or the opps might sacrifice since they're at fav.

If it starts 1-p-4-5, West will bid 5, North might bid 7 as above or might bid 6 and then double 6.

I'd say 6x is certainly the lowest possible contract, I bet this will happen about half the time.
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Posted 2008-April-08, 10:37

West is dealer Adam.

Is there really such a thing as a 'par auction'?

I think a reasonable auction is:

1 - pass - 4 - 5
5 - 6 - 6...

From here on, it's anybody's guess, but I can see NS selling out to 6. North has some defense and South has quite a few losers to make 7 unattractive.

I suppose the 'par' play is to duck the K lead in 6.
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Posted 2008-April-08, 10:46

pclayton, on Apr 8 2008, 11:37 AM, said:

I think a reasonable auction is:

1 - pass - 4 - 5
5 - 6 - 6...

Ding ding ding ding ding!!!

Sitting west I redoubled :) (north's double). They definitely thought about moving on, though. The redouble was necessary to get a top.
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Posted 2008-April-08, 11:33

kfay, on Apr 8 2008, 11:46 AM, said:

pclayton, on Apr 8 2008, 11:37 AM, said:

I think a reasonable auction is:

1 - pass - 4 - 5
5 - 6 - 6...

Ding ding ding ding ding!!!

Sitting west I redoubled :P (north's double). They definitely thought about moving on, though. The redouble was necessary to get a top.

Forgive me for being blunt, but the redouble is sheer lunacy.

Why not take 80%+ of the matchpoints you already have instead of risking it by giving the opponents another chance to bid 7?

Only if you KNOW that the opponents will sit for 6xx is the redouble the right call. And I do not see how you can possibly know this.

(Caveat: If you KNOW that 7 is cold and you are willing to bid it over 7, then the redouble is just fine).
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Posted 2008-April-08, 11:38

ArtK78, on Apr 8 2008, 12:33 PM, said:

kfay, on Apr 8 2008, 11:46 AM, said:

pclayton, on Apr 8 2008, 11:37 AM, said:

I think a reasonable auction is:

1 - pass - 4 - 5
5 - 6 - 6...

Ding ding ding ding ding!!!

Sitting west I redoubled :P (north's double). They definitely thought about moving on, though. The redouble was necessary to get a top.

Forgive me for being blunt, but the redouble is sheer lunacy.

Why not take 80%+ of the matchpoints you already have instead of risking it by giving the opponents another chance to bid 7?

Only if you KNOW that the opponents will sit for 6xx is the redouble the right call. And I do not see how you can possibly know this.

(Caveat: If you KNOW that 7 is cold and you are willing to bid it over 7, then the redouble is just fine).

I realize all of this in hindsight but at the time it sure looked like they were taking a vulnerable sacrifice over our game and I wasn't prepared to believe that they were going to sac 7 vul over our slam.

I had some doubt that 6 was even going to make so it already looked like we were getting a 0 for not taking the + of 6X.

This was the last board of a tournament riddled with 0's for us so I gave it a bit of a 'what the heck.'
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