[Flameous]

I've had problem with systems I make. They tend to turn into HUM sooner or later. (Those damn rules are like stopping evolution)

Now I'm bit unsure how unspecific minor openings have to be since major openings obviously always have to show length in a suit.

1♦ opening to show 9+ cards in either majors or minors. (May be 1, 2 or 3 -suited hand)

Is this kind of opening ok? And does it have to be accompanied with strong club for it to be legal? I like this sort of opening in that when opponents interfere, it most likely tells a lot about my hand.

How about that kind of opening combined with strong club?

1♣ = anything 16+ or 10-15HCP 9+ cards in minors or majors.

Am I entering the HUM zone again?

[helene_t]

Hi Flameous, welcom to the forum, I hope you will enjoy it here and fine many new friends and much bridge wisdom ♥. You should fit in quite well, there are many people here who work on crazy bidding systems. I am one of them

in a strong ♣ or ♦ system you can play 1 of the other minor as whatever you want.

Otherwise I'm afraid you proposed opening is a HUM, but the rules are muddy. They talk about promising length in either a known suit or another suit. It is really unclear to me what this means. Whether "length" means 3+ or 4+, and whether "another suit" means "a specific other suit" or "an unspecific other suit", it makes several mainstream systems HUM, and that can't be the idea.

[FrancesHinden]

Unfortunately there is no answer to your question, because system regulations vary depending where you play (or, on BBO, in whose tournaments you play).

However,

Quote

in a strong ♣ or ♦ system you can play 1 of the other minor as whatever you want.

is certainly not true in a lot of places.

I don't know anywhere where it is not a HUM to play that a 1D opening can be

KQJxx
KQJxx
xx
x

or

x
xx
KQJxx
KQJxx

and, don't take this hard, but I can see no merit whatsoever in the idea...

[mycroft]

And even in the lands where WBF HUM definitions apply, 1C as 16+ or 0-7 any is still a HUM (as pass promises values). Not that I'd want to play "Precision or fert" 1C, but still.

[Zelandakh]

In England you could get away with, for example:-

1♣ = 16+
1♦ = ♥, or majors
1♥ = ♠, or blacks
1♠ = ♣, or minors
1nt = 12-15 balanced
2♣ = ♦, or reds
2♦ = ♦ and ♠
2♥ = ♥ and ♣

but how you might get this to work, or indeed why you would want to, is back in your court...

The main point is that here you can play most things providing that the bid shows 4+ cards in a particular suit. On the other hand, you can play almost nothing where a bid can show every suit unless very specific in nature such as 4=4=4=1 (or balanced of course) hands.


(-: Zel :-)