[mike777]

Scoring: IMP

1H=X=?

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Your call and plan?

[pbleighton]

Based on the common agreement of 3D being a wjs in competition, I would scream

2D is an overbid, 3D hides my support, and 2H is too wimpy vul at imps.

I bid 2D, and prepare to apologize.

At matchpoints I would just bid 2H and be done with it.

How many other posters make dumb bids because it's imps?

Peter

[Echognome]

This is purely a style question. Obviously nothing is wrong with 2♦. I would strongly prefer to tell about my diamond values than raise hearts. I actually would like a 3♦ fit jump here, but I know that many will play it must show a 5-4 hand. So if that is your style, then you cannot make that bid. Even though it will probably be unpopular, I might fudge that bid anyway because (1) it's more preemptive, (2) it gets my hand off my chest in one bid (so I will respect whatever partner does again). I feel if you go with 2♦ or 2♥ that's going to be your only bid anyway. So to me, it's a smaller lie, especially when I have 10 cards between the suits. I'm already ready with my "Oh, I thought one of my small diamonds was a heart."

[Echognome]

pbleighton, on Jul 20 2007, 10:26 AM, said:

Based on the common agreement of 3D being a wjs in competition, I would scream

Wow. I thought the common agreement was 3♦ as a fit jump.

[mike777]

Lets keep in mind the opp are allowed to bid also. It looks like they are about to bids spades, lots of spades. Got a plan?

Just how high are you going to drive this hand, 5 level?

[jtfanclub]

mike777, on Jul 20 2007, 01:17 PM, said:

Scoring: IMP

1H=X=?

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Your call and plan?

Looks like an easy enough 2♦ call for me. It's a very slight overbid, but the double fit makes it worth it.

After that, I'll make a minimum bid of hearts, assuming I don't have to bid 5 of them.

[mike777]

jtfanclub, on Jul 20 2007, 01:33 PM, said:

mike777, on Jul 20 2007, 01:17 PM, said:

Scoring: IMP

1H=X=?

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Your call and plan?

Looks like an easy enough 2♦ call for me. It's a very slight overbid, but the double fit makes it worth it.

After that, I'll make a minimum bid of hearts, assuming I don't have to bid 5 of them.

Just what are you planning on doing if the bidding comes back to you at 4spades?

[FrancesHinden]

I would bid 2H.
If this comes back to me at 4S, undoubled by partner, I bid 5D.

[goobers]

I don't understand, 2D looks like an underbid, not an overbid. Or are we playing 2D as forcing here?

[ochinko]

Any bid that doesn't immediately give a ♥ fit is too adventurous to be considered. 2♦ from me denies more than a single heart, and is non-forcing.

2♥ is a slight underbid, so I prefer 3♥ as I prefer to overbid sooner rather than later.

If I am unable to find 3♥ in the bidding box, I'll take out 4♥.

[ArtK78]

2C as a transfer advance, intending to support hearts later.

It is always nice to have a method to show both my suit and support for partner.

In the absence of playing transfer advances, I bid 2D naturally. I cannot afford to ignore my suit, and Jxx support for partner is nothing to write home about. If partner supports diamonds in a competitive auction, I will keep bidding.

[Gerben42]

What's all this nonsense about 2♦ being an overbid?

Problem #1: We have a fit for partner, but showing it hides our great 7-card suit.
Problem #2: We have a great 7-card suit, but showing it hides our fit for partner.
Problem #3: A fit jump requires more than Jxx in support.

Solution: None.

So we have to make a choice.

2♦. And I bid again after 4♠.

[pbleighton]

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Wow. I thought the common agreement was 3D as a fit jump.

I guess we play in different locales.

BTW, in the ACBL, wjs in competition doesn't require an alert, a fit jump does.

Peter

[jtfanclub]

mike777, on Jul 20 2007, 01:38 PM, said:

Just what are you planning on doing if the bidding comes back to you at 4spades?

Not passing.

It depends on what the other calls were.

[iggygork]

Isn't 2♦ over an opp's X not forcing in BWS? Seems like a pretty common agreement here in the Pacific Northwest.

If I could, I would bid 2♣ as a transfer, if not 2♦ seems about right, the spade bid and raise problem notwithstanding. It might work as a lead director, too.

[mikeh]

Anyone who doesn't show a heart raise is, imo, misguided. Just how is partner supposed to participate intelligently when he likely has short diamonds (RHO probably has some length given his double) and knows that you (usually) deny a heart fit when you bid any number of diamonds UNLESS you have a fit showing bid.

BWS doesn't appear to use fit-showing after a takeout double of 1♥, not even as a leaf... which surprised me when I read it.. I expect the next version will differ.

So, in the context of the problem that was presented in the MSC, it seems to me that the choices are:

1. raise to 2♥, bid diamonds later if needed

2. bid 2N: limit raise in hearts, bid diamonds later if needed

3. bid 2♦, non-forcing and (I would expect near expert unaminity on this) strongly suggesting no heart fit

4. bid 3♦ weak jump shift, again denying any heart fit

5. jump to 4♥ (I almost didn't include this, because it seems really bad.. but ...it might actually be the most effective call on some hands

Those who know my style from other postings will understand why I reject any bid that misleads partner re our major suit fit or that is purely unilateral (the 4♥ call).

So I go with Frances' plan: 2♥ now, and diamonds if necessary.

BTW, even if a fit jump were available, I wouldn't choose it. It has the advantage of desribing our lack of black suit values (only an advantage if we declare) but it may fatally mislead partner as to the degree of fit.

In my own preferred methods, I'd bid 2♦, transfer showing a constructive heart raise, and then bid diamonds if necessary, but I don't think that is BWS either.

[Cascade]

It is much more efficient to raise hearts now and bid diamonds later. Partner can give a preference at a lower level with better information.

I bid 2♥. And depending on the auction I will consider bidding diamonds at the lowest level at my next turn.

[skjaeran]

Double post.

[skjaeran]

Agree with Frances, Mike(h) and Wayne. 2♥ for now.
Show ♦'s later if needed/possible.

[ochinko]

Gerben42, on Jul 20 2007, 10:22 PM, said:

What's all this nonsense about 2♦ being an overbid?

Problem #1: We have a fit for partner, but showing it hides our great 7-card suit.
Problem #2: We have a great 7-card suit, but showing it hides our fit for partner.
Problem #3: A fit jump requires more than Jxx in support.

Solution: None.

So we have to make a choice.

2♦. And I bid again after 4♠.

Any number of diamonds is a "no win" bid unless it shows a heart fit as well, which would be pretty non-standard. And even then it doesn't accomplish anything.

1) Do you expect partner to give fit with ♦Jx or xx?
2) Do you even want to find a ♦ fit? As soon as you do, opps will know they have two black fits, and with the boss suit in them they'll always be able to overbid you if they find it to be worth it.
3) If LHO blasts off to 4♠ after your 2♦ would you know what to do? Would you have given your partner a chance to make an educated guess or just the opposition? You bid 5♥ now only to find that it is -2; 4♠ is -1, and 5♦ is =?

2♦ is a good bid only if the rules require you to cooperate with opps for them to find their best spot while keeping your partner in the dark.