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Hold back... or go for it again?

Poll: What do you call? (29 member(s) have cast votes)

What do you call?

  1. Pass (20 votes [68.97%])

    Percentage of vote: 68.97%

  2. Double (5 votes [17.24%])

    Percentage of vote: 17.24%

  3. 5H (4 votes [13.79%])

    Percentage of vote: 13.79%

  4. Other (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

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#1 User is offline   FrancesHinden 

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Posted 2007-May-25, 02:24

Scoring: IMP

3♦ P 4♠ ?


You are vul against not, IMPs
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Posted 2007-May-25, 02:28

I pass, seems clear with 2 defensive spade tricks and 3 spade losers.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2007-May-25, 02:31

Does RHO really have spades? ....
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Posted 2007-May-25, 02:34

If not then I will call the director.

If they psyched, wd, I didn't catch them.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2007-May-25, 03:09

I would had passed without thining too much.

After reading the psycke suggestion I though a bit more, but I don't think this is a psycke for many reason. Double would be reasonable but not my style.
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Posted 2007-May-25, 04:14

PASS-in a good day -2,3, in a bad day +1. But that I realy don't want to hear is -5♥-Pass-Pass-6♣.
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Posted 2007-May-25, 04:45

This is too rich for my blood. Pass.
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Posted 2007-May-25, 04:47

i go for 5h

typically rho will hold diamond points and length so i think that playing partner for 3 hearts and some useful spots is a good bet. on the other hand if they are very strong and they nail us its no good.
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Posted 2007-May-25, 05:39

Reluctant pass. I think I am more likely to go for 800 than the double game swing.
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Posted 2007-May-25, 07:48

yep pass :)

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Posted 2007-May-25, 08:04

I think this one's very tough at this vuln. I'd pass or bid 5♥ depending on tactical factors.

Usually pass, though.
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Posted 2007-May-25, 08:08

Count me in for 5♥, altho I hate it.

My reasoning, which doesn't fill me with confidence, is that RHO has either perpetrated one of the best psyches I have encountered or he has a hand with something like 10 or 11 cards in the pointed suits. It is possible, I suppose, that he has a strong hcp hand, but most such start with 3♠.

Now, at the table, I'd probably pass...it is easier to be brave in front of a computer screen, where I don't have to play the hand out in 5♥ doubled!

Seriously, tho, can RHO really have a big hand and bid 4♠ when we hold A10xx in that suit? Surely he has long spades and a ♦ fit/tolerance for this auction?
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Posted 2007-May-25, 08:44

FrancesHinden, on May 25 2007, 03:24 AM, said:

♠AT75♥KQT983♦♣J75

3♦ P 4♠ ??
You are vul against not, IMPs

Nice problem hand :)

After much thought, (I hope I can keep close to tempo ATT! I'll even remind them to put the Stop! on the table if RHO didn't.)

I'm passing.

We're at Unfavorable playing IMPs. The consequences of overbidding could not be worse.

There are 2 reasonable meanings I can think of for RHO's bid
a= Fit Showing Jump like bid
b= Power bid with self sufficient trumps ♠KQJxxx(x)♥A?♦?♣AK?
IOW, an ~17 count with a S suit that will play for 1 loser opposite a stiff Sx.

The other possibilities I can think of
"c"= RHO misbid
"d"= RHO is insane.

I think "a" should be alertable?
If so, w/o an alert IMHO the odds favor passing.
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Posted 2007-May-25, 08:49

This is a really ugly one...

I am strongly tempted to bid 5♥, however, I'm quite anemic for the bid.

I don't trust the 4♠ raise at all, however, I'm worried that if partner has a hand where 5♥ rates to be a good contract, he'll raise to a bad slam...

Mark me down as a regretful passer
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Posted 2007-May-25, 09:32

There is good reason to be concerned that 4♠ is a psyche. I made this type of psyche once.. where I was going to bid 5♦ but bid 4♠ on the way at this vul to sew confusion. It worked very well. I don't remember my hand all that well, but it was something like.... xxx x AJxxx Jxxx. I played 4♠ down 9.

This possibility scares the heck out of me, as it does other posters here, but what can you do? If RHO has his bid and you bid 5♥ it could be a blood bath, if it is a psyche, your partner holding spades will be handcuffed, as his double would be takeout. If they got you, they got you.
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Posted 2007-May-25, 10:19

I just think bidding here is too much, but I admit I could lose a double game swing by passing. I'm hoping to gain enough times in a small fashion to make up for those hopefully rare occurences. I feel pretty dirty about this though.
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Posted 2007-May-25, 10:42

Pass.

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Posted 2007-May-27, 04:54

Jlall, on May 25 2007, 05:19 PM, said:

I admit I could lose a double game swing by passing.

It is worse than a double game swing, I am afraid.

Before revealing the full horror of this hand, I should warn you that this was in the last league match of the season, after the winner of the league had already been determined, so there was a certain air of frivolity. My teammates were NS on this deal.

Scoring: IMP

3♦ P 4♠ all pass


NS 200

see the other thread for what happened at the other table...
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Posted 2007-May-27, 10:12

This is a great story Frances, thanks for posting it.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2007-May-30, 02:20

FrancesHinden, on May 25 2007, 03:24 AM, said:

Dealer: West
Vul: N/S
Scoring: IMP
♠ A1075
♥ KQ10983
♦  
♣ J75
3♦ P 4♠ ?


You are vul against not, IMPs

:huh:
IMO P = 10, 5 ♥ = 6, X = 4.
:huh:
RHO imay well hold something like
[A] ♠ KQxxxx ♥ - ♦ Axxxx ♣ Ax
when 4 ♠ is touch and go and 5 ♥ may be OK
:huh:
but RHO may hold a misfit mountain like
[B] ♠ KQJxxxx ♥ AJ ♦ - ♣ AKQx
with 4 ♠ making on pure power and 5 ♥ a disaster.
:huh:
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