Partner opens 1♦ (5 cards M, 4 card ♦, can be 4-4 minors) and RHO overcalls 1♥. Do you have enough defence to pass (partner will DBL most of the time) or do you need at least 5 card ♥?
How much do you need to pass?
#1
Posted 2007-April-17, 15:57
Partner opens 1♦ (5 cards M, 4 card ♦, can be 4-4 minors) and RHO overcalls 1♥. Do you have enough defence to pass (partner will DBL most of the time) or do you need at least 5 card ♥?
#2 Guest_Jlall_*
Posted 2007-April-17, 16:05
#3
Posted 2007-April-17, 16:07
Jlall, on Apr 17 2007, 02:05 PM, said:
I don't mind trapping at the 2 level against 2 of a minor with 4 good trump. The risk / reward is more favorable than trapping versus 2 major.
#4
Posted 2007-April-17, 16:45
pclayton, on Apr 17 2007, 04:07 PM, said:
Jlall, on Apr 17 2007, 02:05 PM, said:
I don't mind trapping at the 2 level against 2 of a minor with 4 good trump. The risk / reward is more favorable than trapping versus 2 major.
This is MP, so it hardly makes a difference.
Anyway, the risk of trapping isn't only that they might make it, it may also happen that it gets passed out (or that partner is forced to reopen on too many hands), or that the auction doesn't go P P X P and you can't show your hand anymore.
#5
Posted 2007-April-17, 16:56
I suggest that you concentrate on bidding your hand and work toward reaching the partnership's best contract rather than keep trying to lure old George (or Georgia) to his/ her doom. If you miss an opportunity, chances are that some of that loss might come back in terms of misdefense or a favorable lead, to say nothing of the fact that the opp's bidding might help you evaluate your holdings better and locate a key card or two in the bidding.
This is also one reason that I often hate redoubles just to show 9/10+ hcp. The opps usually find some escape and you've lost a round of bidding during which to bid your hand. The exception might be when you have a 3-card limit raise for partner's major, or some roughly 3-suited hand, short in partner's suit. Otherwise, I suggest that you bid as you might have bid had there not been an intervening takeout double. Don't let the opp's bidding disrupt your own bidding if possible.
dhl
#6
Posted 2007-April-18, 04:05
#7
Posted 2007-April-18, 08:49
kgr, on Apr 17 2007, 04:57 PM, said:
1D-(1H)-??
Partner opens 1♦ (5 cards M, 4 card ♦, can be 4-4 minors) and RHO overcalls 1♥. Do you have enough defence to pass (partner will DBL most of the time) or do you need at least 5 card ♥?
I think you have enough defense to be able to beat 1H, but it is not the hand to make a trap pass with.
You would like to have a 5th trump, making it reasonably certain that partner can/will reopen with a double. When holding 4 trumps, there are no assurances that he will be able to, even if your style is normally to reopen with X.
I think that either 6C or 6N are likely making. You would have to beat 1H by 5 tricks to outscore 6C and by 6 tricks to outscore 6N. Achieving this is unlikely when holding only 4 trumps, since RHO can easily have 6 or more. He will take at least 2 trump tricks on length alone.
Better to begin investigating your best spot immediately with this hand, imo.
So many experts, not enough X cards.
#8
Posted 2007-April-18, 13:50
1. Partner might have more than two ♥'s and pass it out.
2. Even if partner reopen with a double, I'd seldom expect to beat 1♥ enough to outscore our normal contract.
So I'd just bid 2♣ and see how the bidding develops.
Harald
#9
Posted 2007-April-18, 13:58
#10
Posted 2007-April-18, 16:10
1D-(1H)-P-(P)
DBL-All pass
I don't remember the exact hands, but they were something like this.
Questions:
- If you can replace clubs by hearts.. How much more hearts do you need to pass iso bid?
- Is it ok to DBL with the North hand or do you need at least a singleton?
Thanks!
Koen
PS: Opps played 1HX-2, most other pairs played 3NT and one pair made 6C. A 0 (that's a big fat zero) for us
#11
Posted 2007-April-18, 16:37
kgr, on Apr 18 2007, 05:10 PM, said:
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I don't remember the exact hands, but they were something like this.
Questions:
- If you can replace clubs by hearts.. How much more hearts do you need to pass iso bid?
- Is it ok to DBL with the North hand or do you need at least a singleton?
Thanks!
Koen
PS: Opps played 1HX-2, most other pairs played 3NT and one pair made 6C. A 0 (that's a big fat zero) for us
I have mentioned this before about Larry Cohen, he has a whole chapter on not making takeout x with a void. In particular he discusses not making an x in the reopening seat as in your example here.
Of course as others have said it well they would not make a trap pass with only 4 hearts. But give responder 5 or more hearts and opener still should not reopen with an x per Cohen/Bergen.
#12
Posted 2007-April-18, 17:23
skaeran, on Apr 19 2007, 02:50 AM, said:
1. Partner might have more than two ♥'s and pass it out.
2. Even if partner reopen with a double, I'd seldom expect to beat 1♥ enough to outscore our normal contract.
So I'd just bid 2♣ and see how the bidding develops.
I agree with this. What concerns me also is the comment that with one additional H some would consider a trap pass.
A pass at the one level looks more like Ax KQJTx and out. here you may well not be able to make much if the opps remove your SA in a possible NT contract by your side.
#13
Posted 2007-April-19, 03:55
you need -3 to compensate for game,
which means, your side has to make
3H, I would say it is a tough goal, because
you need to prevent cheap ruffs, and
you cant draw trumps, because that will
give away tricks.
=> Go for your own game, and you may have
a slam.
With kind regards
Marlowe
Uwe Gebhardt (P_Marlowe)
#14
Posted 2007-April-19, 04:43
#15
Posted 2007-April-19, 09:49
#16
Posted 2007-April-19, 10:18
Jlall, on Apr 17 2007, 06:05 PM, said:
I agree with the first half of this statement.
1D-(1H)-??