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#1 User is offline   daveharty 

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Posted 2012-November-11, 18:58



IMPs. Opps are silent throughout; West leads the J. What is your plan:

1. ...in 6?
2. ...in 6NT?
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Posted 2012-November-11, 19:57

6 is the higher percentage slam.

6NT requires the 3-3 split with the Q onside.

.. whereas 6 can still make with :
1) Q offside but still 3-3 split or
2) Q onside and 4-2 split


6NT could still make with Q onside and 4-2 split but would need the finesse ( K onside ) as well.
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Posted 2012-November-11, 22:06

View PostTWO4BRIDGE, on 2012-November-11, 19:57, said:

6 is the higher percentage slam.

6NT requires the 3-3 split with the Q onside.

.. whereas 6 can still make with :
1) Q offside but still 3-3 split or
2) Q onside and 4-2 split


6NT could still make with Q onside and 4-2 split but would need the finesse ( K onside ) as well.

6NT will also make with 3-3 diamonds if the Q is offside if the club finesse is on.

There is also a remote chance of a club/heart squeeze.

The main advantage that 6S has over 6NT is that it is cold if the K is onside and clubs break no worse than 6-2.
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Posted 2012-November-11, 23:19

6NT is easy play a diamond to the jack early and keep K as entry for squeeze purposes.

6 is a lot more complicated, I wanna test spades to see if I can ruff 2 diamonds or not, but also wanna ruff a club in dummy and don't have the entries for everything and trying a losing club fines early removes K entry that should be saved if diamonds break... too much for the early morning, will try it later.
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Posted 2012-November-13, 11:26

View PostTWO4BRIDGE, on 2012-November-11, 19:57, said:

6NT requires the 3-3 split with the Q onside... whereas 6 can still make with :
1) Q offside but still 3-3 split or2) Q onside and 4-2 split
6NT could still make with Q onside and 4-2 split but would need the finesse ( K onside ) as well.



View PostArtK78, on 2012-November-11, 22:06, said:

6NT will also make with 3-3 diamonds if the Q is offside if the club finesse is on.There is also a remote chance of a club/heart squeeze.The main advantage that 6S has over 6NT is that it is cold if the K is onside and clubs break no worse than 6-2.



What am I missing??

I count 5+2+1=8 sure tricks. Getting to 12 requires 4 tricks on A9853 to KJ.
Playing low to the J should make 6NT on:
any 3-3 split (with overtrick if finesse is on)
any 4-2 split with q onside
QT offside
stiff T offside
and with QTxxx(x) onside in can make on K onside or possibly some squeese
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Posted 2012-November-13, 12:12

You also make 6N whenever there is Tx of diamonds surely?
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Posted 2012-November-13, 15:05

Yes, there are many more possibilities in the diamond suit relating to the fall of the 10. I didn't notice the spots.

All in all, not a bad contract.
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